Complaints without suggestions are really the worst.
That’s hilarious. Kudos if you meant to do that.
macOS 10.15 Vista
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#12This is kind of the same as the first time you enable Little Snitch. IMO it’s good to reveal that you’re running dozens of applications with basically full access to all your files.
I’d rather give additive permissions to applications, since I’ve seen evidence time and again that security is one of the lowest priorities for most development shops.
It’s annoying the first time after upgrading (I haven’t done it yet), but it is infrequent after that.
Except for the Safari 13 download authorization prompt for every domain. That is a little more annoying to me.
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#13Literally this was me this morning after I upgraded last night and went to bed. I get Apple wants to make people feel their in control of their privacy, but literally every app I use for work prompts me for every permission imaginable. “Oh the command you’re running in Terminal, it wants permissions to your Downloads folder, is that ok?” ::click yes:: “Guess what? That same command you’re running in Terminal now want…
> I get Apple wants to make people feel their in control of their privacy, but literally every app I use for work prompts me for every permission imaginable.
i would guess this has the side-effect of making devs think hard about what really needs access or not, and tightening up where data is stored (say in the app container, not copying files willy nilly over the hd, using entitlements etc)
> Oh the command you’re running in Terminal, it wants permissions to your Downloads folder, is that ok?” ::click yes:: “Guess what? That same command you’re running in Terminal now wants to access you Library folder. Is That cool?” ::click yes:: “hey it’s me again, that Terminal command. It now wants to access your Documents folder. Is that cool?”
yes, that is annoying, but i’m pretty sure that only happens the first time it tries to access those folders... is that correct?
personally, i think that’s good that it checks those, because some scripts can do damage to your data (say. by accident), and you might want to know if it’s trying to say, read your keychain or not
Re: macOS 10.15 Vista
#14Wait, Bartender 3 can record my screen?
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#15I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency. The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.
It's a bad onboarding though, full stop, and not very Apple like. For example, I imagine there could be a way to present the user a screen with all apps, and ask the user on one screen to check/uncheck any that it would like to receive notifications for.
Similarly, for the apps requesting access to various things, if I were Apple, I'd wait a bit and then present the user a list with the apps requesting access, explaining why it's happening, etc.
So two simple screens with clear explanations and helpful advice, versus a million baffling popups.
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#16I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency. The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.
Apple could have figured out a way to coalesce all the individual pop-ups into a single window. I'm sure they considered it and deemed it not worth the effort since this is a one-time pain... of course it's one-time pain shared by millions of users. :-(
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#17Very sad to agree with this entire post. I hate to essentialize it to an already checked and problematic mythology of Jobs-Ives, but it seems like all of the air left the sails after Jobs passed. The OS versions are getting unreservedly worse, likewise with the hardware -- it's active regression rather than stagnation. When it comes to having a quality laptop and OS to get work done, I would at least be happy with st…
Why do you think the hardware and software versions are getting worse? My late 2017 15 inch rMBP is a lot better than my 2011 MBP. I also like the recent releases of MacOS. Dark mode, stacks on desktop, seeing Meta data in preview, and the new screenshot tool are a few Mojave features I like.
Memory compression in Mavericks was also something I feel is great. Although I never dealt with it directly as a programmer, only a user.
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#18I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency. The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.
I don’t think you read the post properly : all those popups appeared after an OS migration. I don’t see why upgrading the OS would need you to reauthorize apps, and even parts of the OS like icloud shouldn’t require you to relog (unless the security mechanism of icloud itself has been upgraded to a new system with no migration possible of the credentials).
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#19I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency. The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.
Second this. It's a major security update that allows you to re-evaluate and more precisely manage access rights that your existing apps have. Not sure what "super user" author is really sad about. No one is keeping him from using windows.
I don’t think that’s intentional though. Otherwise a proper way would simply be to prompt the user with something like « you’ve just upgraded your system, would you like to take this as an opportunity to reevaluate all your applications access rights ? ».
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#20Very sad to agree with this entire post. I hate to essentialize it to an already checked and problematic mythology of Jobs-Ives, but it seems like all of the air left the sails after Jobs passed. The OS versions are getting unreservedly worse, likewise with the hardware -- it's active regression rather than stagnation. When it comes to having a quality laptop and OS to get work done, I would at least be happy with st…
Why do you think the hardware and software versions are getting worse? My late 2017 15 inch rMBP is a lot better than my 2011 MBP. I also like the recent releases of MacOS. Dark mode, stacks on desktop, seeing Meta data in preview, and the new screenshot tool are a few Mojave features I like. Memory compression in Mavericks was also something I feel is great. Although I never dealt with it directly as a programmer, o…
On the hardware side: keyboard, touchbar, touchpad to keyboard ratio.
On the software side: slowness but more importantly a general decrease of opinionated cohesion, and an increase in odd UX decisions. Facetime calls to my iPhone trigger alerts on all of my devices, even if I'd prefer it to just be my phone (I rarely use Facetime on my machine). Beyond that, there are too many useless popups that interrupt me in what I'm doing that I have to X out of that I end up with a screen that looks like the topic post -- hence the pejorative "10.15 Vista" which is how a lot of folks about Windows Vista when it was released after the relatively sleek and polished UX of Windows 2000 and XP.