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'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by mikestew »

laheyBro wrote: post #163
asimpletune wrote: post #105

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If you’re an African American male you have to be very careful how you express anger, however justified it may be. If you’re a female, it’s more difficult to be taken seriously or heard in meetings, and people constantly talk over you. If you’re basically anything that’s not white, people will embarrassingly coddle or patronize you, if they’re not prejudicing you. I never really thought about specific examples until…

What a ridiculous statement. The US is the least oppressed society in history. Especially for women and minorities.

The US is the least oppressed society in history.

What is ridiculous is to think that is an argument against the truth of parent's statement.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by laheyBro »

dekhn wrote: post #168
laheyBro wrote: post #163

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What a ridiculous statement. The US is the least oppressed society in history. Especially for women and minorities.

there were laws through the 1960s and I think even later that prevents african americans and other non-caucasians from marrying caucasians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia required Supreme Court to override laws that violated the constitution. If that's your standard for "least oppressed", I think your standards are very low.

Believe it or not, a lot of things have changed since the 60's. Name a society with more rights, more opportunities for the historically oppressed. Deny reality all you want, you're only hurting yourself.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by akiselev »

klagermkii wrote: post #154
dekhn wrote: post #71

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I understand where you're coming from and I thought twice about using that word. I certainly appreciate the work done to give me freedoms, and I agree luck had a big part of it. But the reality is that as a white middle class male in the US, I do have the privilege to say things and do things in public that people who aren't white or middle class can't. The freedoms we have aren't equally distributed due to systemic…

I think the main issue is that the choice of the words "privilege" or "right", when used by enough people, has the power to set societal expectations. Why should a privilege ever be extended to more people, the people who have them should just consider themselves lucky they aren't taken away. And I think there are plenty of things that are "privileges", but it's based on the idea that it is impossible to extend it to…

Wouldn't the privilege be in the ability to exercise rights without paying a price like so many groups have had to in our history?

This all sounds like a confusing semantics game.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by laheyBro »

mikestew wrote: post #171
laheyBro wrote: post #163

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What a ridiculous statement. The US is the least oppressed society in history. Especially for women and minorities.

The US is the least oppressed society in history. What is ridiculous is to think that is an argument against the truth of parent's statement.

The parent statement is objectively not truth.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by GhettoMaestro »

grievances wrote: post #78
StaticRedux wrote: post #66

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It's not privilege. It's a right the country has fought and died for for over 200 years. It's a principle the country was founded on. "Privilege" has lost all meaning in today's world. It's just a word to throw around to slow how "woke" you are. Calling our rights "privilege" is throwing out the struggle and sacrifice of everyone that fought for those rights. You may have been Lucky to have been born in the US, but n…

Many brave people have fought and died for their countries and rights. Its easy to forget that minorities and “unlucky” people fight too; knowing that you’re safe expressing your points of view is something that many have earned, not all have received. That very much sounds like privilege to me.

Stop trying to be woke. It is super-cringe.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by jeffdavis »

grievances wrote: post #78
StaticRedux wrote: post #66

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It's not privilege. It's a right the country has fought and died for for over 200 years. It's a principle the country was founded on. "Privilege" has lost all meaning in today's world. It's just a word to throw around to slow how "woke" you are. Calling our rights "privilege" is throwing out the struggle and sacrifice of everyone that fought for those rights. You may have been Lucky to have been born in the US, but n…

Many brave people have fought and died for their countries and rights. Its easy to forget that minorities and “unlucky” people fight too; knowing that you’re safe expressing your points of view is something that many have earned, not all have received. That very much sounds like privilege to me.

There is more to be done to protect, secure, and expand the rights of everyone. But they are still rights.

Privileges are things granted to you, often conditionally, by someone else. Using the word often sounds quasi-religious to me: "Thank Privilege for this meal we are about to eat, and our safe home, ...".

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by mikestew »

laheyBro wrote: post #174
mikestew wrote: post #171

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The US is the least oppressed society in history. What is ridiculous is to think that is an argument against the truth of parent's statement.

The parent statement is objectively not truth.

Of the your two comments thus far, neither is even remotely what one might call a counter-argument. "Nuh-uh!" does not count. There's still time to edit the comment, care to throw me something more substantial to work with?

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Post by blago »

awb wrote: post #114
dekhn wrote: post #39

I have to say, this is really the only way to respond to China when it comes to their no-humor censors: just come out and mock them. They don't really have any way to reply. One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom.

> “Like the NBA, we welcome the Chinese censors into our homes and into our hearts.” It's interesting that we used to think the more connected we were the more other countries would see and appreciate our democracy and start to adapt it. This is the first time I can remember communism and censorship flowing the other way. > “It’s not worth living in a world where China controls my country’s art,” says one character i…

I think middle-class Americans tend to overestimate human appreciation for freedom. In my experience, most people in the world, including US, will trade freedom for prosperity in a heartbeat.

Communist regimes collapsed not because they deprived people of their freedom but because their economies failed.

Autocrats like Putin and Xi are popular at home because their economies are growing and people's lives are improving, even though individual freedoms are slowly but surely eroding.

Trump was elected and is still in office because he gave hope for prosperity to people who had long lost it, and they will support him no matter how damaging he is for the rest of the country, the world, or their own freedom.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

ozzyman700 wrote: post #159
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #153

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Cool, I'm gonna flag all your propagandistic bullshit comments.

Your choice! Workers of the world unite!

The workers of the world should unite... for actual democratic socialism and not just doing whatever the fuck Xi Jinping says at the point of a gun.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by throwaway13372 »

Despite knowing that Chinese people and the government are trained to react poorly to mocking, and there are a long history of why such reaaction is based on factual events in the history.

People are still trying to the same thing, instead of engaging a conversation (for both parties). But people need to understand that such mocking will later be used another proof that westerners are not sensitive enough to Chinese people and government's feeling...

I am ATM plainly paralyzed by the superficial self-indulged righteousness from both parties...

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