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'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by elliekelly »

corodra wrote: post #52
throwaway_bad wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes we forget that getting disappeared in china is not just a meme. Police will show up to arrest you just for posting comments online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCOAbkTs_a4

Well, lets not forget their detention camps for ethnic minorities they don't like: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/23/china-footage-... I mean at this rate, I seriously think in a decade or two, we're going to find a Holocaust level event has been going on in China that's going to make the Nazis look like amateurs. But instead, we're focused on stupid left/right political differences and figuring out wheth…

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Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by throwaway_law »

dekhn wrote: post #39

I have to say, this is really the only way to respond to China when it comes to their no-humor censors: just come out and mock them. They don't really have any way to reply. One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom.

>One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom.

There certainly is an entire generation who is ready for reforms if not an outright democratic revolution, but no I don't believe their end goal is freedom to pirate South Park video clips.

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Post by dTal »

olalonde wrote: post #54
bluntfang wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom. I've noticed a trend on this site in particular where we collectively wonder if our western media is a part of Chinese counter-culture. Is this hubris uniquely American?

That and the idea that Chinese citizens see themselves as oppressed. As crazy as it may seem to us, they're overwhelmingly supportive of their government.

If they weren't, how on Earth would you know? Being anything other than publicly "overwhelmingly supportive of the government" gets you killed.

I believe many Chinese citizens are aware that their situation is not ideal ("oppressed" is probably not quite the right word), because I believe at least some subset of Chinese citizens are not brainwashed morons and any idiot can see what's going on.

If they really had overwhelming support, they wouldn't need to censor so hard. Banning images of Winnie the Pooh demonstrates weakness.

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Post by throwaway_law »

olalonde wrote: post #54
bluntfang wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom. I've noticed a trend on this site in particular where we collectively wonder if our western media is a part of Chinese counter-culture. Is this hubris uniquely American?

That and the idea that Chinese citizens see themselves as oppressed. As crazy as it may seem to us, they're overwhelmingly supportive of their government.

>As crazy as it may seem to us, they're overwhelmingly supportive of their government.

And North Korean's overwhelmingly praise the "Supreme Leader" with tears in their eyes. Ever see old video of Hitler addressing the masses? The people seem overwhelmingly supportive.

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Post by dTal »

bluntfang wrote: post #50
dekhn wrote: post #39

I have to say, this is really the only way to respond to China when it comes to their no-humor censors: just come out and mock them. They don't really have any way to reply. One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom.

>One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom. I've noticed a trend on this site in particular where we collectively wonder if our western media is a part of Chinese counter-culture. Is this hubris uniquely American?

Is Winnie the Pooh not Western media?

Of course Western media is part of Chinese counter-culture. We live in a global society. The interesting question is how large a part - and which media?

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Post by StaticRedux »

dekhn wrote: post #48
throwaway_bad wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes we forget that getting disappeared in china is not just a meme. Police will show up to arrest you just for posting comments online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCOAbkTs_a4

i certainly don't forget. I've been watching Russia and China from a very safe position of privilege in the US for many years. The last time I really worried was when I used to post dumb stuff on usenet in college, but in retrospect, I was never really at risk.

It's not privilege. It's a right the country has fought and died for for over 200 years. It's a principle the country was founded on.

"Privilege" has lost all meaning in today's world. It's just a word to throw around to slow how "woke" you are.

Calling our rights "privilege" is throwing out the struggle and sacrifice of everyone that fought for those rights.

You may have been Lucky to have been born in the US, but not Privileged

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Post by thepaperone »

wjoe wrote: post #14
Meai wrote: post #13

In my opinion this fight is important but futile at the level of individual companies. The USA as the only nation in the world with true free speech protections should make free speech a requirement in their trade negotiations. Even with Europe, we should not get certain tariff improvements until free speech goes into law that deserves the name and is equivalent to the US level of free speech.

"The USA as the only nation in the world with true free speech protections" Is this accurate? Legally, I understand that free speech is protected in the US constitution. I'm sure it's not the only country in the world with free speech laws, but I don't know how the specifics compare. Culturally, the US seems less tolerant of free speech than plenty of other places in the world. Obviously China is orders of magnitude…

in the UK you can go to jail for making funny videos of your dog doing the heil salute.

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Post by jotm »

Phillips126 wrote: post #46
delfinom wrote: post #38

There's potentially going to be more to come in Wednesday's episode given their "apology" and it may start WW3.

Comparing the causes of WW1[0] and WW2[1], seeing the name "South Park" on the WW3 wikipedia page [assuming the world still exists] would be the most bizarre thing I could imagine. That being said, it may just happen! [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_World_War_I [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_World_War_II

That would go down as the single dumbest reason of civilization collapse, surely?

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Post by senorjazz »

bluntfang wrote: post #50
dekhn wrote: post #39

I have to say, this is really the only way to respond to China when it comes to their no-humor censors: just come out and mock them. They don't really have any way to reply. One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom.

>One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom. I've noticed a trend on this site in particular where we collectively wonder if our western media is a part of Chinese counter-culture. Is this hubris uniquely American?

> Is this hubris uniquely American?

Probably not, but evidence does point towards a general attitude of "surely everyone wants to be like us, we are the best country in the world afterall"

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Post by Shivetya »

smitty1e wrote: post #34
drawkbox wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comedy is not dead. Comedy can change minds. Comedy is powerful and attacks the self-important and authoritarianism. Comedy can take on serious challenges in the best way. > John Cleese in On Creativity said: "the self-important always know with some level of their consciousness that their egotism is going to be punctured by humor -- that's why they see it as a threat. And so {they} dishonestly pretend that their def…

Comedy is threatened by corporations and people assuming the position for tyranny.

Comedy faces a greater threat from the "woke" #metoo crowd at colleges and online than any profit seeking corporate entity.
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