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Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Playing the devils advocate, maybe they are using an alt account because they don’t want people like you finding them in real life.

That's not playing devil's advocate, it's just projection, i.e. those who pay attention to the stifling of resistance against violence and murder are the real dangerous people, projecting what they resist on them.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Speaking of forcing companies into doing whatever a national government sees as its political policy ...

How about the US forcing other companies (Huawei) into not doing business with countries it doesn't like (Iran) and attempting to extradite foreign individuals (CFO of Huawei) to advance that aim.

I'm not saying what CCP is doing is correct but the US has been doing the same shit for decades. Governments have always used companies as pawns for political purpose.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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If we're going to repeat the same cycle with Vietnam and India, we'd do well to encourage democracy this go-around. If we elevate authoritarian countries to our level, democracy may be in for a rough future. We should be learning a lot from the China situation. Modern China proves that authoritarian capitalism works and that you don't need freedom or liberty for your citizens. And that's incredibly scary. Imagine if…

> If we're going to repeat the same cycle with Vietnam and India, we'd do well to encourage democracy this go-around. I don't think the idea is to introduce democracy, because it's cheaper if the people making our consumer goods had less rights. It was like that with the original banana republics, and it's like that now. Sure we the people may want democracy and we may elect people who want to spread democracy (like…

I think you're right that people are making a choice to get cheaper goods over promoting democracy. I think we need to make this choice more visible and strongly push companies and individuals to make choices that support democracy.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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So we are at the point where American video game developers are banning people from e-sports competitions for their comments over a domestic issue in a foreign country? Because the Chinese government probably didn't like his comments, that counts as 'public disrepute'? This is just wild to me.

It's part of the new push by corporations and organizations to subvert the law to appease their own ideologies. Despite there being no legal precendence or requirement for things to happen, those in authority positions are more than happy to silence those that disagree with their expectations. It is a direct result of cancel culture and deplatforming - if everyone assumed the best of intentions until explicit circumstances demonstrating otherwise, we wouldn't be in this mess - everyone would go about their day as normal as there are no laws requiring you to do or penalizing anyone for the things people are deplatformed over in this day and age. But when power comes into the mix, and as our culture has inflated the value of ideologies, those with power stand more to gain by taking the nuclear approach.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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It should do. The West needs to decide whether it is going to stand for China being able to silence criticism of it in the West, or not.

Ironically, there's little the US government can do here without dragging things back towards the McCarthy era. What would we have them do? Apply pressure to Activision/Blizzard to reverse the company's own internal policy on "keep politics out of the game stuff?" That's a pretty clear violation of freedom of speech, the press, and / or association, to tell a private company who they must endorse. It's not unpreceden…

> What would we have them do?

We have laws prohibiting private actors from interfering with American foreign policy. And we have safe harbours for protected speech. Combining these two, narrowly, to apply to Hong Kong and Taiwan might thread the needle.

To get around First Amendment issues, it would have to be a law saying, in effect, private actors may not punish employees, contractors or members for expressing opinions connected to Hong Kong or Taiwan’s proto-democratic and democratic systems. (This would probably also require Congress recognise Taiwan’s sovereignty, which after Hong Kong looks necessary.)

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China is clearly up to no good, but I can't shake the feeling that there would be something off about allowing political soapboxing in apolitical events like this. Should people have a set list of political ideas to propagate at the end of every interview? "My deck was not strong enough in the end-game. And also legalize assault rifles and support the Kurds". I dunno.

In sports it has generally been frowned upon to politicize competitions, somewhat broadly supported by both organizers and competitors. Whether this is something to strive for or not is a separate debate, but it is how it has been.

Personally, I believe that support has shifted in computer gaming as compared to sports, and will continue to shift.

In sports we use things like spears, shoes, bicycles, up to racing cars. But none of them relies on a narrative or story, except by the story around the sport itself. Few - if any - of the sports are part of culture the way computer games already are, and we see no stopping of this progression anytime soon.

This explicit cultural relevance taken together with the fact that China, and several other countries for that matter, already has made gaming political by requiring games to not feature elements that oppose their regime, sensibilities, or culture, makes a compelling argument that competitors must be allowed a greater freedom of speech, even in the context of competitions.

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It is wild, but it's also part of their own rules: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGVTuRlXkAA0ovF?format=png Honest question: Can we call this unfair if it was already laid out as part of their rules?

Yes. You presuppose that all rules - via their nature of being rules - are automatically fair. They aren't. Especially not if they're not arrived at by consensus, but unilaterally laid out.

Let's highlight the absurdity of the presupposition with an extreme example that they might understand: what if there's a rule that says "Black people are not allowed to play"?

They're saying we should just assume it's fair? What kind of idiotic notion is this?

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Interesting how an incidence in gaming garner more eye balls on the topic of Hong Kong politics than whole month combined. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Good for the people of Hong Kong. The topic of Hong Kong didn't struck me as sensational/desperate as it deserves until a Hong Kong friend send me this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yXTHODE24Q Am moved by the clip, especial…

I had no idea that that second video would have the effect on me that it did. I'm sitting in my office here crying.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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> Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you

> into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public, or

> otherwise damages Blizzard image will result in removal from

> Grandmasters and reduction of the player’s prize total to $0 USD, in

> addition to other remedies which may be provided for under the

> Handbook and Blizzard’s Website Terms.

This is why "cancel culture" needs to end, companies simply shouldn't be getting involved in the speech of an individual. Yes, some words are hurtful, but overall it just doesn't pay off for anybody. You can always find somebody who is offended, this is just a race to the bottom. We're also now seeing the negative effects come through onto LGBT keywords and Youtube monetization.

As for worrying about China, if you even trip up once you'll find yourself kicked out. If you play their game, you'll be rewarded by having to hire state spies into your company architecture, your software back-doored, your customers censored and your source code cloned. And for your participation the CCP will take a large percentage of your profits within China.

Also, seeing how much of a percentage the CCP takes from places such as the film industry, I'm surprised other Countries don't just match it - why should one Country demand so much tax and the others not? What's worse is that governments then invest tonnes of time and money trying to protect these rackets, whereas the CCP puts in very little to no effort in upholding copyrighted material (unless such copyright is Chinese held).

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