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'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by psychoslave »

bluntfang wrote: post #50
dekhn wrote: post #39

I have to say, this is really the only way to respond to China when it comes to their no-humor censors: just come out and mock them. They don't really have any way to reply. One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom.

>One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom. I've noticed a trend on this site in particular where we collectively wonder if our western media is a part of Chinese counter-culture. Is this hubris uniquely American?

Isn't it basically soft power that you are refering to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by blix »

inlined wrote: post #155
blix wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe it's just a Japanese-internment level atrocity.

It’s never a good sign to need to split hairs over which caliber atrocity is being committed. That being said, separating children from families is genocide according to the Rome statute, so this pretty high up on the list.

I don't mean to minimize any atrocity. But it is interesting to note that some of the strongest opponents of Chinese behavior have done similar things in the past, and perhaps even through the current day.

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Post by laheyBro »

asimpletune wrote: post #105
Konnstann wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give me an example of something a non-white, non-middle class person can't say or do in public? Maybe it's my limited world-view, but I can't think of anything specific.

If you’re an African American male you have to be very careful how you express anger, however justified it may be. If you’re a female, it’s more difficult to be taken seriously or heard in meetings, and people constantly talk over you. If you’re basically anything that’s not white, people will embarrassingly coddle or patronize you, if they’re not prejudicing you. I never really thought about specific examples until…

What a ridiculous statement. The US is the least oppressed society in history. Especially for women and minorities.

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Post by laheyBro »

dekhn wrote: post #151
Konnstann wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article you linked draws more of a link between income levels and police violence than it does race. They explicitly say that the crime rates of low-income neighborhoods, populated by majority minority groups, are higher than that of more affluent neighborhoods. Furthermore most of the injuries happen when the person stopped has a gun, regardless of race. Not great, and certainly unacceptable, but not equivalent…

if you want to deny the lived experience of african americans in the US, you're free to do so (it falls under free speech) but frankly I think making ivory tower-level statements like this ignores an extraordinary amount of evidence that african americans (and many non-caucasians) experience systemic racism that affects their economic opportunities and health.

Evidence points to the contrary. Equality of opportunity is a reality and has been for a long time. You cannot force equality of outcome.

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Post by joelx »

grievances wrote: post #78
StaticRedux wrote: post #66

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It's not privilege. It's a right the country has fought and died for for over 200 years. It's a principle the country was founded on. "Privilege" has lost all meaning in today's world. It's just a word to throw around to slow how "woke" you are. Calling our rights "privilege" is throwing out the struggle and sacrifice of everyone that fought for those rights. You may have been Lucky to have been born in the US, but n…

Many brave people have fought and died for their countries and rights. Its easy to forget that minorities and “unlucky” people fight too; knowing that you’re safe expressing your points of view is something that many have earned, not all have received. That very much sounds like privilege to me.

We need to avoid getting lost in minor internal debates. I agree some classes of people in America have had more difficulty exercising their rights, but they always had those rights and the courts enforced them usually. What we are talking about with China and Russia is totalitarian dictatorships that come and take you from your home and beat you and murder you for making a comment on the internet they didn't like or even sharing a Winnie the Poo meme.

We need to all band together to fight this or we will lose all of our privileges and rights.

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Post by cmyr »

blix wrote: post #141
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putting ethnic minorities in concentration camps is an early-Holocaust atrocity today .

Or maybe it's just a Japanese-internment level atrocity.

This is utterly unhelpful whataboutism. The japanese internment is not ongoing, is broadly recognized as an atrocity, and has been formally apologized for by the governments involved.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Liberties_Act_of_1988

- https://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/1988-government-apologizes...

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by mikestew »

Konnstann wrote: post #75
dekhn wrote: post #71

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I understand where you're coming from and I thought twice about using that word. I certainly appreciate the work done to give me freedoms, and I agree luck had a big part of it. But the reality is that as a white middle class male in the US, I do have the privilege to say things and do things in public that people who aren't white or middle class can't. The freedoms we have aren't equally distributed due to systemic…

Can you give me an example of something a non-white, non-middle class person can't say or do in public? Maybe it's my limited world-view, but I can't think of anything specific.

As a white man with upper-middle class money to afford good lawyers, I can tell a cop to piss off when they're out of line and suffer fewer repercussions than others. I might go to jail for the evening (no biggie, I've traveled that road), but come Monday morning me and Ms. Pit Bull Lawyer, Esq. go smooth it over with the judge. If it even gets that far...'cuz, you know, I'm white.

This could all be in my head, but based on reporting and anecdotes from friends, I firmly believe that if a cop's being a dick and I call him/her on it, the cuffs will go on much more slowly than if I were another color or lived in a different neighborhood.

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Post by dekhn »

laheyBro wrote: post #163
asimpletune wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re an African American male you have to be very careful how you express anger, however justified it may be. If you’re a female, it’s more difficult to be taken seriously or heard in meetings, and people constantly talk over you. If you’re basically anything that’s not white, people will embarrassingly coddle or patronize you, if they’re not prejudicing you. I never really thought about specific examples until…

What a ridiculous statement. The US is the least oppressed society in history. Especially for women and minorities.

there were laws through the 1960s and I think even later that prevents african americans and other non-caucasians from marrying caucasians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia required Supreme Court to override laws that violated the constitution.

If that's your standard for "least oppressed", I think your standards are very low.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by laheyBro »

dekhn wrote: post #82
Konnstann wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give me an example of something a non-white, non-middle class person can't say or do in public? Maybe it's my limited world-view, but I can't think of anything specific.

Sure, if you (10 years ago) smoked a joint on the street, and you were black, you carried a far far higher risk of being imprisoned.

lol What an awful example.

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Post by jtms »

throwaway_bad wrote: post #120
hevi_jos wrote: post #99

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For your information, Mr Hitler killed over 5 million people. Mao killed way over 30 million. Absolutely incompetent, he manage to remain in power just using terror. The other day there was an 70th anniversary of the founding of PRC and this criminal's gigantic picture was at the hotspot.

Technically speaking it's not really apples to apples. One is due to malice (hitler was actively trying to exterminate a race). The other is due to incompetence (mao would've preferred if those people didn't die but was too stupid to predict the result of his actions). Not trying to defend either of them of course. But just for the record books we would should have a saner way of counting. If you're going to attribut…

Lack of foresight and intentional starvation of an entire generation of people are two VERY different things.
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