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Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

redleggedfrog wrote: post #48
unnouinceput wrote: post #5

Good, good....the more the merrier. Maybe finally the world will stop cuddling with China like they did in past 3 decades and start treating them for what they really are. A tight grip censorship dictatorship that has thrown dust in the world's eyes posing as softies while behind the scenes they amassed a lot of wealth riding West blindness.

God help us when South Park is helping us find our moral compass...

We live in a time where Dennis Rodman is an essential diplomatic asset for dealing with a nuclear nation state. We do indeed live in interesting times.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by umvi »

not_a_cop75 wrote: post #26
unnouinceput wrote: post #5

Good, good....the more the merrier. Maybe finally the world will stop cuddling with China like they did in past 3 decades and start treating them for what they really are. A tight grip censorship dictatorship that has thrown dust in the world's eyes posing as softies while behind the scenes they amassed a lot of wealth riding West blindness.

That was the whole point of the episode. Has China never heard of Barbara Streisand?

Streisand effect doesn't work in absolute dictatorships as it requires freedom of speech.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by umvi »

zarro wrote: post #60

I see lots of Anti-China sentiment. I would be very careful here into not falling into the trap of making ourselves China's "Enemy". China in its current form needs an "Enemy" to survive, without it, it has to deal with difficult questions like "censorship", and in order to survive will need to change - and that's what really scares them.

So how do you oppose a government that is the sworn enemy of values you regard more precious than your own life?

It's hard not to be the enemy of such a government seeking to increase its power and influence on the world.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by mattmanser »

redleggedfrog wrote: post #48
unnouinceput wrote: post #5

Good, good....the more the merrier. Maybe finally the world will stop cuddling with China like they did in past 3 decades and start treating them for what they really are. A tight grip censorship dictatorship that has thrown dust in the world's eyes posing as softies while behind the scenes they amassed a lot of wealth riding West blindness.

God help us when South Park is helping us find our moral compass...

South Park has been advocating an ideology, including many morals, from day one of the shows. It may be a mixed message, it may be contradictory, but a lot of SP comedy hinges on pointing out the absurdities in our societies.

Comedy has always been a place you'd look if you want to see someone speak truth to power, for millennia too, and South Park has always done that.

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Post by thedaemon »

i_am_proteus wrote: post #44
simonask wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is at least pretty interesting that the end result of repressive censorship and "free" market capitalism seems to be the same: limitations on what you can see or hear. To the average human, it doesn't really matter if it is the state that prevents you from seeing something or the forces of market capitalism. You have to do something illegal to see it either way, and you will be punished if discovered.

The difference is that in capitalism you can pay the owner to see it. Most of the people who are blocked from one source by copyright probably have it available on a paid streaming service.

As the current market shows, you cannot always get the content from the owner. Some TV Shows are unavailable and the owners are unwilling to release them for whatever reason.

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Post by easymodex »

throw51319 wrote: post #49
resters wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly right. China is overall far less destructive to the world and to human rights than the US is. Keep in mind that Trump has started this anti-China drumbeat as a way of asserting the moral superiority of his administration.

China pollutes more than the US. Also anybody can see that they are gearing up for a conflict to obtain hegemony. They are the ones posturing for inevitable conflict... just so they can gain more power over the world. Look at countries that fell into the US sphere of influence... Europe, South Korea. Things aren't to bad in those places huh?

>Look at countries that fell into the US sphere of influence... Europe, South Korea. Things aren't to bad in those places huh?

Here in Europe we are very thankful, if it wasn't for America we would still be a third world country living in tents. Thanks for democracy, freedom, art, philosophy, medicine and so on. I only wish Europe had any of the smart minds that you have, maybe we could come up with them. Oh wait...

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

mschuster91 wrote: post #50
thrower123 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The One China policy is moronic. If they keep being assholes, it is about time to give Taiwan their long overdue recognition. Hell, give them back the Security Council seat that they had until the 70s...

> Hell, give them back the Security Council seat that they had until the 70s... I'd rather prefer reforming the UN SC to get rid of the "veto" concept. It's time that the US, China and Russia have to finally be held accountable for the shit they did all over the world.

Held accountable by whom? The UN isn't a military force. The blue helmets only exist with support from the Big Five and could never take on any of them. The veto exists to reflect the reality that these countries, especially the US, Russia, and China all have the ability to completely destroy each other.

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Post by ozzyman700 »

rubinelli wrote: post #59
ozzyman700 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

none of that is true, and I hope you can find a source for any of those things. Organ harvesting of uyghur prisoners is completely unfounded and is a lie spread on the internet.

Apparently the news that a million Muslims are kept in concentration camps [1] and that Falun Gong members and other political prisoners had their organs harvested for transplant [2] were being conflated. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/million-muslims-are-held-... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests...

ETAC is wildly biased and has lied in the past about organ harvesting with other prisoners in china.

I have no reason to believe it is true this time. I do believe the US is working hard to manufacture consent that China must be destroyed as it is a threat to the continued US hegemony.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by zarro »

umvi wrote: post #63
zarro wrote: post #60

I see lots of Anti-China sentiment. I would be very careful here into not falling into the trap of making ourselves China's "Enemy". China in its current form needs an "Enemy" to survive, without it, it has to deal with difficult questions like "censorship", and in order to survive will need to change - and that's what really scares them.

So how do you oppose a government that is the sworn enemy of values you regard more precious than your own life? It's hard not to be the enemy of such a government seeking to increase its power and influence on the world.

Totalitarian governments rely on distraction and misdirection of the populace in order to survive. Without it to use as ammunition to unify the people against a common "enemy", the very nature of its limiting rule forces the populace to start questions to try and improve their own condition. Questions like "freedom" and "censorship". Totalitarian governments are not equipped to satisfy difficult questions like this and will either adapt or crumble.

Thus the best way "oppose a government that is the sworn enemy of values you regard more precious than your own life" is to allow it to face its internal problems without giving it the "enemy" it so desperately needs as ammunition to use against you.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by lagadu »

redleggedfrog wrote: post #48
unnouinceput wrote: post #5

Good, good....the more the merrier. Maybe finally the world will stop cuddling with China like they did in past 3 decades and start treating them for what they really are. A tight grip censorship dictatorship that has thrown dust in the world's eyes posing as softies while behind the scenes they amassed a lot of wealth riding West blindness.

God help us when South Park is helping us find our moral compass...

That has been pretty much South Park's entire premise from day one: mocking the stupid shit we as societies do.
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