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Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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post #139

Then we have to boycott Hearthstone. While the current case is neither surprising nor substantially important, it is important because of principle. Blizzard is not responsible for what players say in interviews. In our society, it still matters that people can tolerate other opinions. The Chinese government tries to make it a new normal that entire people can have their "feelings hurt" (what?) by mere non-insulting…

Isn't that cancel culture though?

Yep:

>tries to make it a new normal that entire people can have their "feelings hurt" (what?) by mere non-insulting opinions, and it tries to make it a new normal that all actors should censor any undesirable or potentially undesirable opinion.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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post #61

Can we please start a cultural movement that forces large corporations to choose between appeasing Chinese censors and looking like fools to the rest of the west or getting banned in China. Really seems like a win win scenario.

How about Chinese owners? Chinese Tencent owns 5 percent of Blizzard, if full owner of Riot Games, 48% of Epic Games, 11.5% of Bluehole (Fortnite and PUBG), 5% of Ubisoft. They are also investor in Discord. https://www.pcgamer.com/every-game-company-that-tencent-has-... AMC is fully owned by Chinese. The largest movie theater chain in the United States is fully owned by Chinese. Legendary Entertainment Group is owned…

Doesn't Tencent sort of have reputation of going _against_ chinese government? Also AFAIK big chunk of it is owned by western investment firms etc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naspers#Tencent_investment

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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The big difference is that Nazi Germany wasn’t as fundamentally important to us getting larger, cheaper TVs. Economics clearly trump everything else. It’s ok to harvest organs from countless members of ethnicMinorities as long as the system that does it helps out bottom line. If the Soviet Unions economic system has worked well, we would have supported them too /s

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Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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post #139

Then we have to boycott Hearthstone. While the current case is neither surprising nor substantially important, it is important because of principle. Blizzard is not responsible for what players say in interviews. In our society, it still matters that people can tolerate other opinions. The Chinese government tries to make it a new normal that entire people can have their "feelings hurt" (what?) by mere non-insulting…

The first thing I did when hearing this news is look into how I could delete my Hearthsone account. This sets such a dangerous precedent if Blizzard gets away with no consequences.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#405
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has been leveraging their power "quietly" for some time now. Anything anti-China gets buried or discredited or shouted down using whataboutisms. Even here on hackernews you'll see tons of posts on negative chinese news from month old accounts fuzzing the narrative saying some variation of "it's not easy to understand if you're not chinese etc etc" The hong kong issue is just bringing the issue into the mainstre…

> Anything anti-China gets buried or discredited or shouted down using whataboutisms. Interesting. The only time I see whataboutism and China/Russia brought up in the same HN thread is when somebody tries to defend China/Russia by pointing out similar problems in the West, and that person gets shouted down and accused of engaging in "whataboutism".

Exactly. Someone responding to something shitty one person does by pointing out something someone else did is attempting to “shout down” the original comment with whataboutisms.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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I agree 100% that we should boycott and sanction, however doubt there will be enough people who will, and enough people who care. And I don't blame most for not caring, there are more things to worry about than we have time available. Maybe 1% of hearthstone players will see your comment. Similarly, there are other entities which need to be sanctioned, which you and me won't find out about as it's outside of our area…

"I agree 100% that we should boycott and sanction, however doubt there will be enough people who will, and enough people who care. And I don't blame most for not caring, there are more things to worry about than we have time available." Wait, what? A boycott is not doing something. It takes no time, you just choose to do something different, and let people know why you made the choice. I stopped playing Hearthstone,…

meh, just play something else. Dota Underlords is better

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#408

It's really hard to tell the difference between what is genuinely offensive and what is not. No easy answers. In this case, maybe there is a relatively simple rule: Supporting democracy must not in itself be regarded as offensive...

I think perhaps the more important point is that one should not be prevented from voicing an offensive opinion. If you look very hard in an extremely boring place, e.g. a phone directory, you might just by chance perhaps find something that won't be offensive to anyone on this Earth. Outside of contrived scenarios, the moment we let "being offended" be the watermark of censoring ideas, we might as well pack up the id…

I wish more people held your viewpoint. I agree wholeheartedly.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#409

People should start boycotting western companies that perform this kind of humiliating bowing to China, Saudi Arabia, etc. Yet of course, most companies are doing that...

I thought Western companies had to pursue profits at all costs? China is a big juicy market.

They don’t have to. There are companies that pursue positive impact, though few large or public ones at this time. Patagonia is a great example of a semi-large one.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think back to before gay marriage was accepted as a culturally obvious fact, some of the arguments against it involved hating gays, but others didn't. Without the ability to tell which beliefs actually motivated his donation, it is not possible to discern if he was against gays or not. (I'll refrain from giving any specific examples in order to avoid starting that debate again, but I think most of us can remem…

There weren't good arguments though, it was a rehash of the same 'debate' forty years prior on whether people of different races should be allowed to get married.

Marriage throughout the ages is very much tied to the fact that it takes a man and a woman to conceive a child, and when a man and a woman have sex, they will likely conceive a child. Therefore, marriage was instituted to provide a stable home for such children. This is why sex outside of marriage was taboo since it could result in the conception of children that would not have a good home. Since "gay sex" cannot result in the conception of children, the marriage bond is not a necessary prerequisite, therefore "gay marriage" makes no sense in the context of the traditional understanding of marriage.

However, many today have redefined marriage as a commitment between two people who love each other. Soon it will also be redefined to include numbers greater than two as well as animals. It is only with such a definition that gay marriage makes sense. There are those of us who think that such a redefinition of marriage weakens the strength of traditional marriage that is needed to build strong homes that are the best places for children to grow up in. Gay marriage is not the only culprit here. A far greater problem for families is rampant divorce.

The debate about interracial marriage had two motivations, one of which was pure racism. However, there was also a concern about the welfare of the children of such unions because they might not be accepted by the race of either parents. (Watch the movie "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner" with Sidney Poitier. [1]) This was a real problem and continues to some extent to this day, but it is getting better as people become less racist.

1: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061735/

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