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Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by simias »

IanSanders wrote: post #262

I agree 100% that we should boycott and sanction, however doubt there will be enough people who will, and enough people who care. And I don't blame most for not caring, there are more things to worry about than we have time available. Maybe 1% of hearthstone players will see your comment. Similarly, there are other entities which need to be sanctioned, which you and me won't find out about as it's outside of our area…

>Which makes me believe we need some kind of trusted "morality authority", which would process information similar to this and make informed decisions who to boycott, how and when. Less informed would be able to make an impact without having to do research (which not everyone would do equally well)

Isn't that effectively the government's job in a democracy? They're elected (directly or indirectly) to enact the will of the people. Unless you have a different scheme in mind for constituting this "moral authority".

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by jrockway »

precisioncoder wrote: post #269
byte1918 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Doesn't the code still technically belong to you? Can't you submit a takedown request?

It belongs to you but you distributed it with a license that gives away some of your rights.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by thieving_magpie »

taytus wrote: post #322
FillardMillmore wrote: post #284

So we are at the point where American video game developers are banning people from e-sports competitions for their comments over a domestic issue in a foreign country? Because the Chinese government probably didn't like his comments, that counts as 'public disrepute'? This is just wild to me.

It is wild, but it's also part of their own rules: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGVTuRlXkAA0ovF?format=png Honest question: Can we call this unfair if it was already laid out as part of their rules?

That's vague wording on purpose to cover anything they want. So what we've determined they want is to avoid any public show of support for the people of Hong Kong. I don't know if I'd call it unfair so much as showing their true intentions.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by MereInterest »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #275
aznumeric wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing happened with Tridef. The company went under, didn't release a free version of the software, and now people who bought it legally have to resort to using a crack.

I've said it a few times, but it's worth repeating IMO: copyright is a deal, where a creator gets a time-limited monopoly in exchange for works entering the public domain. If a company have arranged things so their work can't enter the public domain (eg DRM) then they should not get copyright protection, fundamentally it's wrong to get the benefit of copyright without giving up your work to the public domain. This ca…

I'm glad to hear that others have the same opinion regarding software copyrights. I'd even go one step further and say that the source code must be included in that unhindered copy. Otherwise, the public's right to make derivative works from things in the public domain cannot be upheld.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by donpott »

ourlordcaffeine wrote: post #319
zwaps wrote: post #139

Then we have to boycott Hearthstone. While the current case is neither surprising nor substantially important, it is important because of principle. Blizzard is not responsible for what players say in interviews. In our society, it still matters that people can tolerate other opinions. The Chinese government tries to make it a new normal that entire people can have their "feelings hurt" (what?) by mere non-insulting…

To that end, I've started a list on github https://github.com/caffeine-overload/bandinchina

Would "having links to the chinese government" make the cut for this list? because if so, you can add Tencent, and by extension Epic games, Reddit and Riot games.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by groby_b »

taytus wrote: post #322
FillardMillmore wrote: post #284

So we are at the point where American video game developers are banning people from e-sports competitions for their comments over a domestic issue in a foreign country? Because the Chinese government probably didn't like his comments, that counts as 'public disrepute'? This is just wild to me.

It is wild, but it's also part of their own rules: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGVTuRlXkAA0ovF?format=png Honest question: Can we call this unfair if it was already laid out as part of their rules?

Yes. You presuppose that all rules - via their nature of being rules - are automatically fair. They aren't. Especially not if they're not arrived at by consensus, but unilaterally laid out.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by simias »

bovermyer wrote: post #314
IanSanders wrote: post #262

I agree 100% that we should boycott and sanction, however doubt there will be enough people who will, and enough people who care. And I don't blame most for not caring, there are more things to worry about than we have time available. Maybe 1% of hearthstone players will see your comment. Similarly, there are other entities which need to be sanctioned, which you and me won't find out about as it's outside of our area…

This sounds way too close to the Ministry of Love from 1984.

We need an equivalent to Godwin's law for making parallels to Orwell's 1984. It's thrown around so much in internet debates these days that it loses all meaning IMO.

Besides it doesn't even really work here, the Ministry of Love is about torture and spreading fear throughout the population. If anything what the parent proposes would be closer to the Ministry of Truth but even that is a stretch. I think the soviet Goskomizdat might be a better comparison.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by thieving_magpie »

delfinom wrote: post #326
megous wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called trade. US americans send $ to China for cheap goods and manufacturing, Now, Chinese have $ to spend in the US. Not really scary. It's better for superpowers to have intertwined economies, rather than be isolated. Less incentives for conquest and war.

Not really. One super power now has majority ownership of the other. They can now conquest with little business disruption ;)

> One super power now has majority ownership of the other.

A few companies and minority ownership stakes does not mean any super power owns the majority of another super power. That's a wide gulf.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by [deleted] »

IanSanders wrote: post #262

I agree 100% that we should boycott and sanction, however doubt there will be enough people who will, and enough people who care. And I don't blame most for not caring, there are more things to worry about than we have time available. Maybe 1% of hearthstone players will see your comment. Similarly, there are other entities which need to be sanctioned, which you and me won't find out about as it's outside of our area…

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