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Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

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Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

#51
post #45

Isn't the term moon devalued too much by now? Isn't there terminology to classify these newly found 5km natural satelites differently from the massive moons like ours, Ganymede, Europa and so on? Something like dwarf moons or micromoons?

How about space stations?

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

#52
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Today, class, we’re going to learn about Saturn’s newest moon, whose name the district has forbidden me from actually saying.”

Think of all the confusion that could be caused if the voted name was actually "whose name the district has forbidden me from actually saying".

Like setting your wifi password to "FOURWORDSALLLOWERCASE"

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

#53
post #2

Here's a visualization I made of the Saturn system with an option to highlight the newly discovered moons: https://typpo.github.io/spacekit/examples/saturn/index.html Besides the 20 new moons, I find it interesting that there are 8 "lost" moons. These are objects observed as far back as 2004 - but their current locations are unknown.

Very cool! I'm surprised that they orbit so quickly!

The speed measurement in the viz adjusts "visualization days per real second". It's set at 0.1 because the inner moons orbit very quickly. Pan orbits Saturn every 14 hours whereas Fornjot, the outermost named satellite, orbits every 1354 days.

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why don't they orbit in the same direction, as the planets do? Aren't many moons gravitationally captured in any case?

Gravitational capture is the only way retrograde orbits could happen - a blob of spinning dust and gas just won't produce moons orbiting in opposite directions. Anything going in the "wrong" direction will be subject to a whole lot of drag forces and lose all of its orbital speed and fall inwards. Retrograde orbits have to happen by grabbing something late or after the formation phase. All of the discovered retrograd…

>Keep in mind all of these new objects are quite small, just a few miles across. About a billion of them could fit inside Saturn's largest moon, Titan (seventeen were discovered).

With planets, we started getting too many "planets" when we discovered more and more really tiny ones, so we started coming up with new names for them: "dwarf planet", "Trojan", "asteroid", etc. A small rock in the asteroid belt orbits the Sun, but it still isn't called a "planet".

It sounds like we need to do something similar with moons, or else it's going to get out of control. There's likely an absurd number of small rocks orbiting Saturn and Jupiter; should they really all be called "moons"?

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

#55
post #2

Here's a visualization I made of the Saturn system with an option to highlight the newly discovered moons: https://typpo.github.io/spacekit/examples/saturn/index.html Besides the 20 new moons, I find it interesting that there are 8 "lost" moons. These are objects observed as far back as 2004 - but their current locations are unknown.

Very cool! It would be nice if there was a 'Highlight None' option in the drop-down.

Thanks! I've added this now.

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

#56
post #26

Any notion of why the Earth has only one moon and other planets have hundreds?

The Earth has more than one moon. There are surely a bunch of very small rocks orbiting the Earth which we haven't discovered yet. And there was one other known moon of Earth, called 2006 RH120, in the last decade, but it was ejected.

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

#57
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Earth is miniscule in comparison to the planets that have hundreds of moons. Those just have a stronger gravity field

What about Mars?

The "moons" of Mars are really nothing more than asteroids; they're a tiny fraction of the size of our Moon, and not even large enough to be round.

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

#58
post #8

I wish they would open up the naming of at least one moon to whatever the internet decides to come up with, rather than restricting it to the same old boring gods and goddesses convention. That moon would probably become one of the more popular celestial bodies in the solar system based on that alone.

What's wrong with gods and goddesses? Those are great names, and not subject to the idiocy that a democratic naming would come up with ("Moony McMoonFace"), which future generations would just roll their eyes at, or insist on renaming. The names of gods and goddesses are timeless.

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

#59
post #17

A peeve I have would be to use a language of certainity ("has moons"): > This brings the ringed planet’s total number of moons to 82, surpassing Jupiter, which has 79 When it's clear we don't have the absolute truth. We need to be humble. It's clear then that Saturn has at least 82 moons. Or maybe not even that, taking account the "lost" moons mentioned in this discussion. Now we believe that Saturn has about 82 moon…

>language of certainty ("has moons")

I don't read it that way. This is a science topic, I think the phrase "Jupiter, which has 79" does NOT mean "no more than 79" but does mean at least 79 that we know.

I don't think it signals a lack of humility. I think it is just shorthand for "Jupiter has 79 moons, that we have verified". Since this is in the context of discovering more moons that we hadn't seen before, I don't think the extra verbiage is necessary and is implied. Of course we are in the process of discovering more moons. That's what the entire article is about.

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

#60
post #2

Here's a visualization I made of the Saturn system with an option to highlight the newly discovered moons: https://typpo.github.io/spacekit/examples/saturn/index.html Besides the 20 new moons, I find it interesting that there are 8 "lost" moons. These are objects observed as far back as 2004 - but their current locations are unknown.

This, your other examples, and spacekit as a whole are absolutely amazing. Thanks for sharing this link.

+10 for spacekit [0]

[0] https://typpo.github.io/spacekit/

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