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Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

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Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

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Here's a visualization I made of the Saturn system with an option to highlight the newly discovered moons: https://typpo.github.io/spacekit/examples/saturn/index.html Besides the 20 new moons, I find it interesting that there are 8 "lost" moons. These are objects observed as far back as 2004 - but their current locations are unknown.

Impressive! It looks just like celestia! I'm in awe

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

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We had the Cassini spacecraft in the Saturn system for 10 years, and in the past two years we've found 32 new moons! We've found 67% more moons with earth-based telescopes than we discovered actually being there. Wow, space is big and we know nothing. (Of course, I don't think Cassini was actually looking for new moons on the outskirts, but still, I'm surprised we didn't accidentally find some of these...)

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

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The Earth is miniscule in comparison to the planets that have hundreds of moons. Those just have a stronger gravity field

What about Mars?

It only has two moons, one more than earth for sure but nothing compared to the more massive planets.

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

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Any notion of why the Earth has only one moon and other planets have hundreds?

yea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstellar_habitable_zone

my understanding is that a good feature of the goldilocks zone is that it has fewer small objects than the outer planets region. maybe someone with better knowledge can pipe up.

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Earth is miniscule in comparison to the planets that have hundreds of moons. Those just have a stronger gravity field

What about Mars?

Mars has even less mass than earth (5.972 × 10²⁴ kg vs 6.417 × 10²³ kg)

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

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Any notion of why the Earth has only one moon and other planets have hundreds?

The earth is small and the moon relatively large (diameter 27% of that of earth; next is Triton, at 5%; volume-wise, the difference is even larger), so I guess the moon caught a lot of candidates. They may have more moons, but we likely have more moon, by mass, relatively.

And does it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claimed_moons_of_Earth#Modern_...)

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

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I wonder when these are gonna go the way of Pluto: Saturn has n moons and a shit-ton of dwarf moons. Wouldn't know where the threshold is though, because something like Phoebe is an absolute outlier.

That was my immediate thought - that the definition of ‘moon’ must have recently changed.

Currently, the only way the definition of 'moon' can change is if it gets defined at all.

Re: Twenty New Moons Found Orbiting Saturn

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Conservation of angular momentum. Stars and their planetary systems form out of clouds of dust and gas which collapse into a fuzzy disk and then into bodies. The sum of the angular momentum before and after has to be the same so there is a big statistical pressure towards all bodies rotation and orbital planes to be near some average overall plane, there are gravitational forces at work too. Orbits over poles are as…

Then why don't they orbit in the same direction, as the planets do? Aren't many moons gravitationally captured in any case?

Gravitational capture is the only way retrograde orbits could happen - a blob of spinning dust and gas just won't produce moons orbiting in opposite directions. Anything going in the "wrong" direction will be subject to a whole lot of drag forces and lose all of its orbital speed and fall inwards. Retrograde orbits have to happen by grabbing something late or after the formation phase.

All of the discovered retrograde orbiting moons are in similar orbits which suggests they all came from some larger object broken apart. Keep in mind all of these new objects are quite small, just a few miles across. About a billion of them could fit inside Saturn's largest moon, Titan (seventeen were discovered).

Regular moon fits with what I was talking about before.

Irregular moons are the ones with eccentric, retrograde, or otherwise weird orbits and acquisition histories.

The more you get into specifics about this kind of thing, the less concise and accurate you can be, it would take an expert up to date with the literature to go much deeper.

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