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Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#181

South Park is spot on this season. You could say they are good with predictions, but I think they just gave different perspective to something that already has been happening (episodes on China censorship)

South Park were the sellouts that paved the way for all of this.... but around 8 years ago they decided that money was more important than their principles... And here we are.

> money was more important than their principles

BTW that's really been the core principle. The US citizens lost their game of chicken with the govt.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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You could but everybody uses version pinning in production, right?

People who are serious about reproducible builds host their own repos. Most people probably don’t know the difference between ^1.0.1 and ~1.0.1

Thanks for making me look that up!

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#183
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Can we please start a cultural movement that forces large corporations to choose between appeasing Chinese censors and looking like fools to the rest of the west or getting banned in China. Really seems like a win win scenario.

How about Chinese owners? Chinese Tencent owns 5 percent of Blizzard, if full owner of Riot Games, 48% of Epic Games, 11.5% of Bluehole (Fortnite and PUBG), 5% of Ubisoft. They are also investor in Discord. https://www.pcgamer.com/every-game-company-that-tencent-has-... AMC is fully owned by Chinese. The largest movie theater chain in the United States is fully owned by Chinese. Legendary Entertainment Group is owned…

> AMC is fully owned by Chinese.

AMC was majority-owned by China’s Dalian Wanda, but they scaled back from 60% to 38% about a year ago.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amc-dalian-wanda-silver-l...

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#185
I don't know how to feel about the protests anymore, but I don't blame companies for trying to not get involved.

I think in tough situations, self-preservation tends to take priority over ideals, so I am not surprised to see a business demonstrate double standards or inconsistencies when they're pulled into a situation that could threaten their well being.

Many people make up a company and one person's actions should not put everyone else under threat because that individual's beliefs is not representative of everyone else working there.

The actions of the competitor could have threatened many people's jobs, families, and lives so you can't blame blizzard for doing what they did.

The underlying problem is the Chinese government and how they black list businesses for not following their draconian policies to do business within the country.

Mentioning a solution like having businesses collectively boycott China just doesn't seem well thought. You can't just walk away from half of your market over personal beliefs, and another company within China would jump for joy at the chance to grab that lost market share.

The point I'm making is I think we should focus on the cause for all of this which is the Chinese gov rather than blaming someone or a company who has a gun pointed at them for acting in their own best interest rather than what is right. We're not the ones being threatened so it's really easy to call people cowards.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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...it boggles the mind that I even needed to say it. Saying it didn't make it true. Do us all the favor of a more convincing argument. Besides, are we really talking about censorship in "the East"? Blizzard is based in California.

You're asking me to defend me disagreeing with the original point - the burden of argument should really be on them, but anyway... Tiananmen square is an immediate and obvious pick. People who publicly referenced the events of Tiananmen square were not allowed to interact with China on a business level. If Hearthstone had existed back then and the streamer had mentioned Tiananmen square, Blizzard would (I think) have…

They have some sort of partnership arrangement, but it really is a surprise to me to find out that a partnership like that has had the censorious effects we've seen here. It's hard to imagine that this would have played out the same way for a partnership with a firm based in e.g. Russia or UK or Brazil. [EDIT: Or even a firm from those nations that owned 5% of Blizzard.] I guess I'm saying that I didn't "see this coming". I suppose that you and thread parent did, but it still seems notable to me.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#187

Opposing communist takeover of a free society apparently violates the following: > Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute , offends a portion or group of the public, or otherwise damages Blizzard image

> offends a portion or group of the public

Surely their own actions just offended "a portion or group of the public".

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#188
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Then we have to boycott Hearthstone. While the current case is neither surprising nor substantially important, it is important because of principle. Blizzard is not responsible for what players say in interviews. In our society, it still matters that people can tolerate other opinions. The Chinese government tries to make it a new normal that entire people can have their "feelings hurt" (what?) by mere non-insulting…

So far I've noticed:

1> New Top Gun Movie removed a patch on Tom Cruises jacketdue to Chinese funding.

2> NBA issued an apology for an owner showing Hong Kong support and China stopped NBA broadcasts.

3> Blizzard

4> Apple Hides Taiwans Flag emoji

Sounds trivial but they're the tip of the iceberg for censoring freedom of expression based on a DICTATOR's whim.

Xi "Winnie The Poop" is an autocrat and once he sealed his grip on power and lifted term limits.

The fact is, the people are fighting a restriction on their freedom, in order to benefit the powerful.

This is a tale as old as humanity itself.

This is also what I fear will happen to America if we're not careful.

I think we need to be united in standing up against restrictions on the freedom of expression.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#189

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And no, they aren't. The two things may look superficially similar but Chinese political censorship is much, much older and the process but which it is done hasn't changed in a long time.

Ehh... But how old is enforcement of Chinese political censorship in the West?

Blizzard is partially owned by a Chinese company. They're using money, not cancel culture.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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> Article 35. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.

That's completely true, except for the fact that none of it is true. Go to China and openly criticize the government, hand out fliers about Tienanmen square with Winnie the Pooh on it and see what happens. God forbid you actually are a citizen of China, because as a foreigner you will be put in a detention center until deported. As a citizen you will disappear.

>As a citizen...

Think of all the lives your organs will save!

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