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Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by bjourne »

tomp wrote: post #142

China is very smart. They saw what was happening in the West - oppression of freedom of speech on account of "hurt feelings" - and applied the same principles for their own nefarious purposes ("hurt Chinese feelings" a.k.a. political censorship). Literally noone could have seen this coming. /s edit: XCabbage better explains what I was trying to say. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21191253

Can you give an example of what you mean with "oppression of freedom of speech on account of hurt feelings"? Because I wasn't aware that such oppression were ongoing. To me it sounds like a fringe theory spread by those who oppose hate speech laws.

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Post by bjornsing »

johnday wrote: post #162
tomp wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well thank God then that wasn't my argument. What I'm saying is, China is co-opting modern liberal censorship in the West to do it's own political censorship (edit: in the West).

And no, they aren't. The two things may look superficially similar but Chinese political censorship is much, much older and the process but which it is done hasn't changed in a long time.

Ehh... But how old is enforcement of Chinese political censorship in the West?

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Post by goblin89 »

johnday wrote: post #162
tomp wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well thank God then that wasn't my argument. What I'm saying is, China is co-opting modern liberal censorship in the West to do it's own political censorship (edit: in the West).

And no, they aren't. The two things may look superficially similar but Chinese political censorship is much, much older and the process but which it is done hasn't changed in a long time.

> Chinese political censorship is much, much older

Since 20th century, isn’t it? Or are there any historical sources confirming that political censorship across provinces of China under Qing dynasty was comparable to the one currently under CCP?

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Post by johnday »

bjornsing wrote: post #168
johnday wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is utter nonsense. Political censorship in the East is not a response to modern liberal views in the West. That is so completely obvious that it boggles the mind that I even needed to say it.

That would be utter nonsense, yes, if it was what the parent claimed. But as I understood the parent it was about enforcement of eastern censorship in the West. I found it a quite interesting observation (relatively unrelated to modern liberal views).

I see what you mean, but even then I find it to be untrue. Blizzard didn't react here because they were hurting China's feelings, but because they have a strong business relationship with the Party in China via Tencent.

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Post by esailija »

ianleeclark wrote: post #83
diveanon wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the best part, there is no correct choice. Corporations love sitting the moral grey area on issues like this, but putting them in a position of having to choose between looking like Chinese stooges or getting banned from China will break their minds.

> Corporations love sitting the moral grey area on issues like this It sure doesn't seem to me that bending to the will of an authoritarian state is "sitting in the moral grey area." They've made their decision.

authoritarian state is a tautology

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Post by benj111 »

oh_sigh wrote: post #107
phtrivier wrote: post #22

Massive Streisand effect incoming.

The only problem is China is too big to care. Streisand effect only affects those people where a spotlight from a small percent of the internet heavily affects them

I interpreted it as in relation to Blizzard.

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Post by johnday »

goblin89 wrote: post #173
johnday wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And no, they aren't. The two things may look superficially similar but Chinese political censorship is much, much older and the process but which it is done hasn't changed in a long time.

> Chinese political censorship is much, much older Since 20th century, isn’t it? Or are there any historical sources confirming that political censorship across provinces of China under Qing dynasty was comparable to the one currently under CCP?

Yeah, mid-20th century. Admittedly "long time" was pretty vague!

My point is that their process is not really being influenced by the so-called "cancel culture" of the last few years.

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Post by ehnto »

cooperadymas wrote: post #39

Is it safe to say we're in the middle of the Software Wars? The headlines have been littered with stories like this lately. From major open source contributors taking down their projects, to Apple, Adobe, and Blizzard. It's only a matter of time until it's a critical piece of software that can cripple a nation or beleaguer it's people. If you're looking for positives, maybe this will finally force people to rethink d…

I wish local instances of SaaS were more common. As a consumer it doesn't fill me with glee that a company used cutting edge APIs and integrations that are hosted all over the place. It fills me with concern about their stability and I have to entirely forget about data security. Who knows where it ends up these days. Both physically and in administrative terms, on globally distributed servers and regarding which companies or countries have access to it.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

jplayer01 wrote: post #123
kkarakk wrote: post #38

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China has been leveraging their power "quietly" for some time now. Anything anti-China gets buried or discredited or shouted down using whataboutisms. Even here on hackernews you'll see tons of posts on negative chinese news from month old accounts fuzzing the narrative saying some variation of "it's not easy to understand if you're not chinese etc etc" The hong kong issue is just bringing the issue into the mainstre…

Not sure why you're being downvoted. I've wasted too much time on HN arguing with people who simply don't believe China isn't as bad as portrayed, and believe everything that comes up here or on other sites is nothing but anti-Chinese propaganda. There are plenty of people who are so jaded that they're unwilling to condemn China for all the immoral things they do, much less economic or political behaviours that aren'…

>but do have clear negative impact on the Western sphere of influence and economic status.

And this is such a problem that you think the US should take actions to try and overthrow their government? Even considering how terribly most US regime changes damage a country, and the horrible civil wars that have accompanied the previous Chinese collapses?

>As bad as the US is, I don't want a country run by such an authoritarian, ruthless government like the CCP to take over the position as the world's superpower

I'm not thrilled at the prospect of a Chinese super power either. However, I also view the US as a rather terrible superpower, and unlike in China I have some amount of agency to change that.

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