An Update to Our Community and an Apology

Post by anon12345690 » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 3:20 AM UTC

yourbandsucks wrote: post #343

dragonwriter wrote: post #334

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> But why is this a top-3 culture war issue? It's not. Without suggesting these are the top 3, Abortion, gun control, and immigration are, just to pick 3 obvious ones, a far more central culture war issues than pronouns. (If you aggregated “LGBT rights” as a whole, you might get into the neighborhood of a top-3 issue.) > For a bunch of combatants who are overwhelmingly not trans and shouldn't really care? Unless, of…

Mmmm. Look at the size of this subthread. It's like catnip. And I said I'll use whatever pronouns people want, already, in one of four short grafs. Yet it didn't stop you from wondering if I'm some 'stealth enemy'. It's funny, these culture war issues. In the case described, it doesn't seem to have involved any actual trans people either. It was all theoretical, talking about the CoC. I suppose my talk of 'rise above…

Post by anon12345690 » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 3:22 AM UTC

seandougall wrote: post #259

tmp20191006cars wrote: post #200

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Might I suggest that most people who insist on using pronouns derived from one's biological sex (rather than gender) are not attempting to engage in harassment, but are simply refusing to concede a currently unsettled political and societal question?

Ah, yes, the fabled "biological pronoun". Pronouns are not biological constructs. They don't have chromosomes, genitals, or secondary sex characteristics. They are, by definition, tied to gender. How would life work if pronouns were determined biologically? For example, how would you figure out what pronouns to use to describe me, if we met in person? You'd have to ask me to drop trou immediately after we met, which…

Post by anon12345690 » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 3:54 AM UTC

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #404

anon12345690 wrote: post #395

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nope lol are you in the medical community or are you getting this from twitter activists? gender identity is accepted as different from sex and because males and females are different so its possible that some people may have gender dysphoria (which is literally a mental disorder like body dysmorphia). nobody disagrees with all that. but 100 different genders and non-binary is not accepted by science. believing in th…

The American Psychiatric Association and the DSM-5 on gender dysphoria: https://www.psychiatry.org/File%20Library/Psychiatrists/Prac... Notable points: Gender nonconformity is explicitly not a disorder. Gender dysphoria is, but only in "the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition." Approved treatments for gender dysphoria explicitly include "transition" and "hormone therapy, related…

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 3:59 AM UTC

damnyou wrote: post #357

tmp20191006cars wrote: post #327

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My mother is in her 70s. She won't willingly knowingly recognize a trans person to be of the "gender" they claim, because she honestly believes deep in her mind that doing so is a sin against God and man, and she would be forfeiting her place in heaven. She wouldn't hurt a fly but she's between a rock and a hard place. The only emotion she ever expresses is guilt. I think she is delusional (mentally ill) and I blame…

Your premise is wrong. A pronoun is not "silly" to a trans person! If your mother was misgendering a dog that would be one thing, but it's a person we're taking about here. A human being. Your mother does not simply get to hurt other people's feelings because of her religion. It is still inappropriate to call all Christians mentally ill. I know plenty of Christians who have no trouble treating trans people with all t…

Post by anon12345690 » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 4:16 AM UTC

bchanudet wrote: post #198

braindeath wrote: post #131

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Yes! I absolutely can refuse to use someone's "preferred pronoun." I summarily reject your assertion that using the gender neutral and grammatically correct "they" in place of "he"/"she" (not them) to refer to anyone is ever insulting or demeaning. You can say it's insulting and I just don't agree that is true in general. Yelling loudly and with outrage doesn't make your claim stronger than mine. I am not rejecting a…

As you said, race, religions, genders and so on are all about identity. And people are defined by their identities. If you know the person you're talking about is a cisgender woman, using the gender-neutral pronoun will feel insulting, because by assuming she may or may not be a woman, you look like you're not accepting her as a woman. It gets yet more offending if you're doing this for a transitioning person. The ch…