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Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by spats1990 »

yumraj wrote: post #599
spats1990 wrote: post #577

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1. Germany was preparing for outright war throughout the 1930s. Conscription was introduced in 1935.Is China seriously planning to militarily annex Taiwan? Leaving aside propaganda etc. 2. This point appears to be about how unfair historical treatment can lead to fascism. Are you saying that the people of China are headed in this direction? 3. I'll defer to your judgement as I presume you read mandarin/canto, but I d…

> 1. Germany was preparing for outright war throughout the 1930s. Conscription was introduced in 1935.Is China seriously planning to militarily annex Taiwan? Leaving aside propaganda etc. China is one of those rare countries in today's world which has border conflicts with each and every of its neighbors and is openly ignoring international norms. On top of that I don't think that it is investing heavily in military…

South Korea has a... border conflict with its northern neighour, a territorial conflict with Japan, and a massive and well armed military given its size.

>openly ignoring international norms.

Could you explain a bit more about what this means exactly? If you are talking about international law, plenty of world powers ignore it when it suits them.

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Post by ospider »

RavlaAlvar wrote: post #592
yungcoder wrote: post #511

Between this and the NBA's capitulation to making the Rockets' GM retract his statements on Hong Kong, at what point does appeasement just become acceptance of China's behavior? Sure, from the individual business' perspective they don't want to risk alienating the Chinese government and losing the Chinese market, but if China sees that they can get their way by simply threatening foreign companies then it will just e…

I can totally imagine the world which China could control the west through exerting pressure on these giant companies.

This is what the west is doing to China now.

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Post by whoevercares »

scrollaway wrote: post #591
spats1990 wrote: post #582

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sorry, on mobile and could have phrased that better. Does the outright extermination of the Uyghurs appear to be the PRC's ultimate goal?

Uh… yes?

As someone else said, force integration is the goal. Chinese culture rarely need to eliminate anything, it just absorb them

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Post by xenihn »

DuskStar wrote: post #554
spats1990 wrote: post #538

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If you think 2019 China is that similar to 1930s Germany you should just come right out and say it, in my opinion. Let that argument stand on its merits. If you didn't intend a parallel between 1930s Germany and 2019 China, there is, again in my opinion only, probably a better way of making your point.

Yeah, absolutely no parallels there. A rising military and economic power surrounded by historic enemies now weaker than them, complete with a governmental system that concentrates power in one man at the very top, a philosophy of racial superiority, governmental discrimination based on race and religion, and a growing concentration camp system... I don't know how anyone could ever think that pre-war Germany and toda…

I am expecting that Japan and South Korea are going to be permitted to clandestinely nuclearize.

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Post by pnako »

yungcoder wrote: post #511

Between this and the NBA's capitulation to making the Rockets' GM retract his statements on Hong Kong, at what point does appeasement just become acceptance of China's behavior? Sure, from the individual business' perspective they don't want to risk alienating the Chinese government and losing the Chinese market, but if China sees that they can get their way by simply threatening foreign companies then it will just e…

It's not the job of Apple, the NBA or the Coca Cola Company to conduct foreign policy.

It's a political issue. As far as I can tell, the sitting US President has, at least, identified the issue.

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Post by yumraj »

spats1990 wrote: post #611
yumraj wrote: post #599

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> 1. Germany was preparing for outright war throughout the 1930s. Conscription was introduced in 1935.Is China seriously planning to militarily annex Taiwan? Leaving aside propaganda etc. China is one of those rare countries in today's world which has border conflicts with each and every of its neighbors and is openly ignoring international norms. On top of that I don't think that it is investing heavily in military…

South Korea has a... border conflict with its northern neighour, a territorial conflict with Japan, and a massive and well armed military given its size. >openly ignoring international norms. Could you explain a bit more about what this means exactly? If you are talking about international law, plenty of world powers ignore it when it suits them.

For example the arbitrary nine-dash line and China's claim over other countries's territories. China's even lost the case against Philippines [0], but has chosen to ignore it.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines_v._China

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Post by foota »

on_and_off wrote: post #581
acangiano wrote: post #532

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A recent South Park episode parodied this quite well.

It felt weird to see such a good episode from South Park after how much they have lost touch with reality at some point. Well .. subjectively I did not find it very funny so maybe not an all time high episode, but the critic was absolutely on point and something that very few people are talking about. China has a lot of control on what can be included in a hollywood movie. Propaganda is not exactly new ... after all…

"but this time it is from one country to another"

Isn't Hollywood the same?

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Post by philliphaydon »

chrischen wrote: post #602
philliphaydon wrote: post #590

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The restriction of not allowing mainland into Taiwan is controlled by Taiwan. Not by China... Taiwan is the one that put the policy in place that China can only visit Taiwan via a tour group only.

Here you go: https://www.dw.com/en/taiwan-reduces-reliance-on-mainland-ch... "Beijing's attempt to punish Taiwan by throttling tourism from the mainland hasn't made much impact. Taiwan set a new tourism record last year by successfully courting visitors from the rest of Asia." Yes Taiwan has the sovereignty to do that, but China also has exit restrictions (USA does not have exit restrictions, which I assume is why yo…

Ah ok. I haven’t been to China. I’m in taiwan right now. People here really don’t like mainland China tourists and always complain.

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Post by yungcoder »

spats1990 wrote: post #577
yungcoder wrote: post #562

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1. Germany was preparing for outright war throughout the 1930s. Conscription was introduced in 1935.Is China seriously planning to militarily annex Taiwan? Leaving aside propaganda etc. 2. This point appears to be about how unfair historical treatment can lead to fascism. Are you saying that the people of China are headed in this direction? 3. I'll defer to your judgement as I presume you read mandarin/canto, but I d…

1. China and Taiwan have had several skirmishes since the PRC came into being in 1949 -- there just haven't been any in recent times since China doesn't want to risk American intervention or accidentally hitting a US Navy ship in the Taiwan Strait. The status quo is China effectively allows Taiwan to function autonomously so long as they don't claim outright sovereignty, which is when China starts flexing the warhammer. The current government in Taiwan has floated the idea of declaring independence far more openly than in the past which combined with Trump's wishy-washiness on alliances raises the risk that China might try something, even if not outright invasion.

2. Japan committed some horrific atrocities they have yet to atone for and Shinzo Abe is certainly not helping the situation with his nationalist rhetoric either, but China is chomping at the bit to justify a conflict with Japan (see the Diaoyu/Senkaku island situation). I take it you're familiar with Korean history and current events, so it's effectively the whole comfort women dispute x10.

3. What the rest of the world sees of Chinese social media is likely a filtered version, and some platforms like Tik Tok straight up have different versions for China/the rest of the world. Who knows, perhaps the excessive rhetoric there is just users trying to buff up their social credit score, but the fact that there are different versions for Chinese users and external users feeds the divide (probably by design).

4. Nobody can know the full extent of what goes on there given how deep Chinese surveillance runs, but we can draw a negative inference from that itself. Why does Xinjiang need special surveillance programs and restricted access even beyond the measures already imposed in the rest of China?

I get the comparisons can be a touchy subject but I think the world ought to have its moment of reckoning with China sooner rather than later, since later might turn out to be too late.

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