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It's time to ban cars from Manhattan?

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Re: It's time to ban cars from Manhattan?

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Post by atoav »

nightfly wrote: post #72
kachnuv_ocasek wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of which there are orders of magnitude fewer, though.

Yes, but they still need roads. Lots of these plans seem to include re-purposing the roadways, without considering the remaining vehicles that still need roads.

You need a way to reach your goal by car this must not necessarily look like a traditional road.

It is essentially a inversion of priorities: instead of having roads with pedestrians and cyclists allowed, you make it a pedestrian area with cyclists and cars allowed.

Re: It's time to ban cars from Manhattan?

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Post by ginko »

ThomPete wrote: post #86

Thats the most selfish idea ever. As a single you can live in on manhattan without any cars sure, but got a family, need to do summer camps in jersey but live in brooklyn. It would make life so much more difficult, and for what? Some wellmeaning but regressive environmentalists who dont need a car. In copenhagen its a disaster imo, and thats a small city. Big cities are big for a reason, a lot of activity. If you wan…

>but got a family, need to do summer camps in jersey but live in brooklyn.

So take the train with your family? I don’t see the problem.

Re: It's time to ban cars from Manhattan?

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Post by alkonaut »

You still need ambulance access everywhere and delivery access almost everywhere. So you need a lot of vehicle infrastructure even though it’s mostly unused, and vehicles must suddenly share the space with pedestrians instead of pedestrians having sidewalks and designated crossings. Pedestrian streets exist in most cities but the problem of making each street a safe place for pedestrians while ambulances and delivery trucks can still access them isn’t a solved problem. A couple of vehicle terrorist attacks in Europe in recent years highlighted this issue.

Re: It's time to ban cars from Manhattan?

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Post by MrMoenty »

alkonaut wrote: post #93

You still need ambulance access everywhere and delivery access almost everywhere. So you need a lot of vehicle infrastructure even though it’s mostly unused, and vehicles must suddenly share the space with pedestrians instead of pedestrians having sidewalks and designated crossings. Pedestrian streets exist in most cities but the problem of making each street a safe place for pedestrians while ambulances and delivery…

The common solution found in European cities is to have one street reserved entirely for pedestrians, and to allow delivery access from the two adjacent, parallel streets. But of course this requires a certain amount of infrastructure within the buildings.

Re: It's time to ban cars from Manhattan?

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Post by nxpnsv »

nightfly wrote: post #57
acd wrote: post #52

I think cars should be banned from most densely populated city centers in general. There is a word describing it "Pedestrianization" Reasoning: Cars pollute the air which makes the people living and walking in the city centers sick. Cars pollute with noise. Cars cause pedestrian and bicycle accidents. Its nice for peoples health to be able to walk and run in open areas. Streets which previously was used by cars can b…

Even if you ban regular cars you're still gonna have to deal with commercial/emergency vehicles (ambulances, moving vans, delivery trucks for local businesses.

All benefits above are still true if you allow this. Actually they did just this in several busy streets in vienna where i live. It’s not perfect, but it’s a lot better than before.

Re: It's time to ban cars from Manhattan?

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Post by alkonaut »

MrMoenty wrote: post #94
alkonaut wrote: post #93

You still need ambulance access everywhere and delivery access almost everywhere. So you need a lot of vehicle infrastructure even though it’s mostly unused, and vehicles must suddenly share the space with pedestrians instead of pedestrians having sidewalks and designated crossings. Pedestrian streets exist in most cities but the problem of making each street a safe place for pedestrians while ambulances and delivery…

The common solution found in European cities is to have one street reserved entirely for pedestrians, and to allow delivery access from the two adjacent, parallel streets. But of course this requires a certain amount of infrastructure within the buildings.

Yes, and obviously it only makes it possible to make half the streets pedestrian streets in an area. To make every street in an area pedestrian-only you’d need a different solution. Deliveries can often be handled in early mornings for example.

Re: It's time to ban cars from Manhattan?

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Post by _ph_ »

nightfly wrote: post #72
kachnuv_ocasek wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of which there are orders of magnitude fewer, though.

Yes, but they still need roads. Lots of these plans seem to include re-purposing the roadways, without considering the remaining vehicles that still need roads.

There will still be roads. They are needed for pedestrians and bicyclists. But they are not commonly open for car traffic. Here in Munich, there are large pure pedestrian zones. But some of them a free for bicyclists after 9pm in the evening and in the morning hours (like 8-10) delivery traffic is allowed. And the police and ambulance cars can drive it any time it is needed.

Re: It's time to ban cars from Manhattan?

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Post by gmueckl »

markvdb wrote: post #88
gmueckl wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pedestrian zones in German cities habe exceptions for transportation to or from locations inside them. Otherwise, stores in these areas couldn't get their wares etc. This just prevents regular car traffic and creates a safe space for walking. I don't know if the concept can scale tonan area the size of Manhattan. Just the necessary level of traffic would probably add up to to a lot of vehicles entering and leaving. I…

The Velove Armadillo is a containerised last mile delivery cargo bicycle especially appropriate for dense city centers. Its use is being expanded in Germany and the Netherlands, by DHL, the big German carrier. https://www.velove.se/news/dhl-express-taking-the-next-step-...

This is certainly a nice idea. But this is only usable for transporting smaller goods in small or medium amounts. This would not suffice to stock a busy grocery store, for example.

Re: It's time to ban cars from Manhattan?

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Post by megablast »

afarrell wrote: post #56
acd wrote: post #52

I think cars should be banned from most densely populated city centers in general. There is a word describing it "Pedestrianization" Reasoning: Cars pollute the air which makes the people living and walking in the city centers sick. Cars pollute with noise. Cars cause pedestrian and bicycle accidents. Its nice for peoples health to be able to walk and run in open areas. Streets which previously was used by cars can b…

What does someone do if they twist their ankle badly and are on crutches for a month?

What everyone who has done this and does not have a car does. Why do people pretend there are situations they can't live without a car, when most people in the world do it, and even a lot of people in your city do it.
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