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Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Post by Mirioron » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 8:58 PM UTC

chr1 wrote: post #34

Onanymous wrote: post #11

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Giving money to poor you only create more of those. People should be given a chance, not money.

Exactly, but if basic income becomes reality, it won't happen because people will want to help the poor, but because the amount of work required to produce food will become so small that people by their mere existence will generate more value, similar to the way people can get email accounts with gigabytes of storage for free.

I think that when most people think of basic income, they don't think of the type of society you mentioned. That's something we hopefully will get to in the future, but we're still quite far from it. If we get basic income, then it's probably going to be much sooner than that, which is going to have widespread implications on society. Many of which we don't know.

I even think that most people would have no problem with a basic income type system when most basic goods are incredibly cheap to produce. After all, if it costs a penny out of your paycheck, then would you really mind if that covered the basic needs of everyone? The main issue I could see related to that would be if this somehow encourages population growth.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Post by refurb » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 8:59 PM UTC

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #106

malvosenior wrote: post #103

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As one of those people (I didn't go to Stanford, but I did move a few rungs up the socioeconomic ladder), I take issue with your point. It's not helpful. There is definitely a culture of anti-intellectualism and escapism among the poor in the US (my background). Sure, the rich kids have it easy and it's super easy to sit around feeling bad about that but in many, many cases people could better themselves with a modic…

If there's one thing I've learned in life, it's not your place to tell other people how to live. If they want to spend their days watching football, instead of learning math or computers: it is their decision to make. A lot of those people won't care that you are more successful than them. They're content with just watching football: it's what they're choosing to do, after all.

That's fine, it's their life. But they have to live with the consequences of their choices which may include poverty.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Post by dash2 » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 9:00 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #142

dekhn wrote: post #14

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The best thing to do when you see a study that counters your opinion on the causality of something, just swap the causality, and move on. Many association papers are just written to confirm the investigator's prior beliefs.

"The best thing to do when you see science you don't like, is pretend it reinforces your already existing biases" What?

This totally makes sense. If the paper shows that A correlates with B, and interprets this as A causes B, but doesn't show it; and if you think B causes A; then this is a great explanation for their result.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Post by Mirioron » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 9:03 PM UTC

scotty79 wrote: post #100

helpPeople wrote: post #67

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What is defined as poverty? If you have internet and food, are you still in poverty?

I'd say if you have food, internet and roof over your head and can get treatment when you get sick you are not in poverty. There are some official definitions though.

I think one other factor to consider is your future. You might have food, internet, healthcare, and a roof over your head right now, but if your current situation will lead to a lack of one of these in the future, then you could probably already be considered poor. Eg, if you lose your job and can't get another one, then you still have some savings to have food, internet, healthcare, and housing, but you will lose it in the future.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Post by Mirioron » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 9:04 PM UTC

Balero wrote: post #184

scotty79 wrote: post #100

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I'd say if you have food, internet and roof over your head and can get treatment when you get sick you are not in poverty. There are some official definitions though.

I would also access to further learning, be it trade school college, a library etc

I think that's what the internet is about.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Post by Mirioron » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 9:08 PM UTC

helpPeople wrote: post #13

tiku wrote: post #4

Well it could be a lot of different things. No money for good food, sports and a lot of stress that accompanies having no steady source of income etc..

Sure, eating flour mixed with water is cheaper than vegetables. But I don't think people do that. Instead people wrongly think fast food is cheaper than home cooked food. Not sure your point of "no money for good food" Source- calories and protein and vitamins per dollar Edit- fast food is not necessarily faster. Carrots and protein shakes are faster than waiting in line for example.

Protein per dollar is actually quite expensive compared to carbs and fat. On the other hand, protein in fast food is even more expensive.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Post by Mirioron » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 9:10 PM UTC

AlexTWithBeard wrote: post #58

anonuser123456 wrote: post #15

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>Instead people wrongly think fast food is cheaper than home cooked food. Fast food is cheaper than home cooked food when you factor in time & mental effort. Cooking at home requires skills that many people do not have.

Sorry, this is beyond my understanding. Morning porridge: pour water into oats. Microwave for 2 minutes. Dinner: pour water into rice. Boil for 10 minutes. Add a rotisserie chicken from the grocery store. My 7yo does it. Do you seriously think there's a non-disabled adult incapable of pouring water in a bowl?

But a rotisserie chicken essentially costs as much as fast food would.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Post by thatguy0900 » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 9:10 PM UTC

droithomme wrote: post #190

chr1 wrote: post #23

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Malnourishment harms anyone, and severe malnourishment at childhood harms a lot https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/child-nutrition... but mostly in poor countries. A nice variant of basic income is minimal tax return when everyone gets tax return proportional to a small percentage of the total tax collected past year. This would allow to gradually reduce other forms of social payments, without introducing a…

Is malnourishment a problem among the poor in the US? Looking around, it seems the problem of the poor in the US is obesity.

If all you get to eat is cheap processed junk food you can be both obese and malnourished

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Post by crankylinuxuser » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 9:16 PM UTC

droithomme wrote: post #190

chr1 wrote: post #23

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Malnourishment harms anyone, and severe malnourishment at childhood harms a lot https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/child-nutrition... but mostly in poor countries. A nice variant of basic income is minimal tax return when everyone gets tax return proportional to a small percentage of the total tax collected past year. This would allow to gradually reduce other forms of social payments, without introducing a…

Is malnourishment a problem among the poor in the US? Looking around, it seems the problem of the poor in the US is obesity.

I'd argue yes, malnourishment is a problem in the US primarily due to sugar subsidies. Remember that malnourishment != starvation.

It can be eating heavily processed foods with extra sugar (in 1 of the 56 different approved names for sugar by the FDA). Or it can be from soda in myriad forms. Or packed and hidden in the aisles of a grocery store of, again, high prpocessed and low nutrient foods.

Or they're in a food desert in the extreme rural areas or the big cities.

And I'd definitely classify obesity as a type of malnourishment. Mal- just means bad.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Post by tempguy9999 » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 9:17 PM UTC

InitialLastName wrote: post #187

sgc wrote: post #178

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Because the few dollars of interest you could make are not at all worth the hardship you place on someone who needs the principal.

You assume that wealthy people aren't sociopaths when it comes to the well-being of the people who work for them.

They are or they aren't, they don't become sociopaths in certain situations. My take is people accustomed to wealth from birth just don't understand how hard it can be.

I used to work with a guy who was very well off. I was not. I suggested something for a fee, he immediately tried to bargain with me. It was little money and I needed it; it was nothing to him. To him it was a game. He was no sociopath, he just didn't understand hardship. I saw him do that quite a bit. I'm sure if he ever felt a hard pinch himself he'd realise it wasn't a game, be much more sympathetic, but... that wasn't going to happen. Genuinely nice guy too.