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Attorney General will ask Zuckerberg to halt plans for end-to-end encryption

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It's called "Telescreen" and will be soon available.

You mean Portal? https://portal.facebook.com

Call me crazy but I'm thinking of buying one. The fact it has a camera cover and a microphone switch is enough to make me comfortable. I'm just waiting to find out if it's a software switch or hardware switch.

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A third party observer cannot read the messages as they pass through the whatsapp network, but Facebook can read the messages at both ends. Facebook has said that they don't do this outside of Australia, where it is required by law, but come on, are we really going to take Zuckerberg's word for it?

This is what I find so fascinating. Yes, it cannot be intercepted in transit. But nothing is stopping the keyboard on which I type or the text box in which I type from collecting all the things and sending those things where ever they want. In-transit interception, in this context, seems like a fruitless threat model when compared to the keyboard/text box vector.

Basically police are too lazy to do police work ie get warrants and wiretaps at individual homes.

They want a fishing net so they can catch these people by the thousands.

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How does the Attorney General feel about foreign governments making "lawful requests" for people's private Facebook messages? Does he believe America benefits from giving every government access, or does he believe that these systems would somehow serve America alone?

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I think that reasonable people can hold both f̶a̶c̶t̶s̶ things in their heads at the same time 1. Privacy is important and good 2. It has almost certainly contributed to an explosion in the production and sharing of child pornography and abuse The question is what is the moral way to reconcile the two, not to deny that either exists.

Neither of those two things are facts. One is an opinion, and the other is speculation.

When did GP specify he was talking about facts?

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The sources in that article who lead these anti-child-trafficking/image organizations complain about cripplingly inadequate budgets and lack of human resources (employees). They do NOT complain about end-to-end encryption. They ask for more people, and more money, which the government is apparently consistently unwilling to grant them. Instead, the govt foists this absolute horseshit about limiting/backdooring e2e on…

WFIW I didn't advocate backdooring either, I'm just asking how we, as technologists, balance what I think are reasonable and compelling goals: protect user data, and protect children. One reasonable answer is that FB/Google/etc. should donate or donate more (Google is called out as donating already) to these organizations. I think another reasonable answer is that technologists donate our time, perhaps as 20% project…

I did read the article, though I think I may now see your point: this technology has greatly enabled abusers, perhaps more than it has helped finders-and-punishers-of-abusers. Your question is a good one: "how we, as technologists, balance what I think are reasonable and compelling goals: protect user data, and protect children."

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You mean, should free advertising-subsidized services even exist?

Mining and storing user data is in no way a requirement to run ads.

So using data for optimization should be banned?

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I believe end-to-end means that the message is encrypted on the sender’s device, remains encrypted in transit and on Facebook servers, and is then only decrypted on the receiver’s device. Facebook themselves would not be able to read user’s messages.

Ah, ya that makes more sense. Although I have a tough time believing Facebook would lock themselves out fully... they need all those data points for pushing ads...

They get plenty of data from what people post to the facebook and instagram platforms. I can definitely see how business incentives could swing toward E2E encryption for messaging. (Not because most people will know the difference, but because people who influence tech trends will, and are privacy conscious.)

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Rephrase as "They are responsible for capturing 99% of the illegal content that is caught." i.e., of the illegal stuff that goes through their system, some of it is captured, and the majority of that is caught by Facebook's own system. Note, this article is recent and highly relevant: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/28/us/child-sex-... > And when tech companies cooperate fully, encryption and anonymizatio…

If this article is for real, then it's certainly not being pushed mainstream. > The Times’s reporting revealed a problem global in scope — most of the images found last year were traced to other countries — but one firmly rooted in the United States because of the central role Silicon Valley has played in facilitating the imagery’s spread and in reporting it to the authorities. Clearly the NYT is laying the problem a…

These aren't new images, they're the same images that have been around the web for decades, that's why they are able to be flagged (via hashing, unless companies are training neural networks to know what child pornography is vs regular pornography). You need to benchmark those numbers versus the increase in regular images sent over the web in general. If it's increasing faster than that increase then there is an argument, if it's increasing slower then the opposite argument is the truth.

Re: Attorney General will ask Zuckerberg to halt plans for end-to-end encryption

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Time for Facebook to make like Google and say 'sorry but foregoing end-to-end encryption would lower the Barr'

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/googl...

(Of course, this just prompted Google to serve more legal data requests, but better than letting the Justice Dept sweep everything for who knows what end)

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You mean Portal? https://portal.facebook.com

Call me crazy but I'm thinking of buying one. The fact it has a camera cover and a microphone switch is enough to make me comfortable. I'm just waiting to find out if it's a software switch or hardware switch.

Should be pretty easy to install your own hardware switch.
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