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Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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Okay, let me draw a picture for you as someone who contributed to Bulgaria's shrinkage. It all starts in 1989, communist Bulgaria decides that it no longer wants its Turkish minority and a large number of people are deported or "let go" to Turkey. BBC has a short documntary on it[0]. Houses and lands are abandoned and only those who are too weak to immigrate remain. Congratulations, now you have ghost-city like place…

> but some places still look like Half-Life 2 Fun fact: Half-Life 2's art director is Bulgarian.

Also a fun fact: City 17 was based on Sofia.

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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I have a company in Bulgaria while working remotely for a high-salary EU country, and it's almost shocking to realise how much you spend on taxes in most European countries when you see the difference in your bank account. It's quite a good deal if you want to be a digital nomad since it's an EU country and you can get a really small apartment for almost nothing to use as your official address while travelling. (You'…

Don't you have to spend > 50% of your time in Bulgaria in order to be considered a tax resident there? I suspect a lot of the "too good to be true" tax evasion stories in this thread depend on lying about your true place of residence?

There's definitely some hoops you may have to jump through, and as I mentioned I'm recommending this for digital nomads, not some random tax evasion scheme if you actually live permanently in some other location. This is probably doable, but illegal and risky.

In my case I officially rent a very cheap place in Sofia, Bulgaria's capital (As a nomad, all you really need to do is make sure no other country has any claims on your tax revenue. Conditions varies - and it may be a good idea to not even own property in some countries. But mostly as long as you don't spend >50% of your time in any other given location they won't consider you liable to pay taxes there.

Note that Bulgaria of course does not have any complaints about me paying taxes in Bulgaria, regardless of whether I'm there or not. I'm basically just giving the tax money - this would probably be different if I wanted, say, citizenship, but that's a different issue.

Hope that's helpful.

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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Thank you for taking the time to write from experience, very insightful. Out of curiosity, when did you leave and for where? Hope it worked out great for you.

Thanks! I was a kid when my parents were forced to move to Turkey in 1989, then returned a year later because the older relatives couldn't make it(and didn't want to, anyway). I am not sure that deportation is the right word here, they gave them to option to have a suitcase with the belongings and leave or remain and face whatever is coming next(it wasn't a genocide but imprisonments and murders were a thing). Later…

Understood, thanks again for sharing and responding :)

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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Not anymore. For about 10 years.

Yes, which is odd as only a few months ago was talking to a Polish electrician who was complaining about it, and had a friends over the years go on about it. So there are many conversations I wish I could time travel and go, really? Sorry for my confusions, though all did have families back home, so may of been a factor or some tax aspect perhaps as I didn't delve. Though did recall reading an article upon the bbc (t…

Generally, it works like this (IANAL): when the country one is working with has the necessary legislation regarding double taxation, the tax paid in the country one is working in, is deducted from the Polish tax. Most often, when people leave Poland to live and work in an EU country, they will pay full tax in the EU country they live in and have zero taxable income in Poland. This means one does not even have to file a tax return in Poland. When I left Poland in 2006, the legislation was not in place yet.

I think, can't remember exactly, the legislation was introduced in 2007, I never had to pay any taxes in Poland while working in other EU countries, I filed a zero tax return in Poland only once, as the taxes have been paid in the other EU country.

There are edge cases where one still falls under double taxation but they are regulated by respective country's tax treaties. Details in Polish: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/taxes/double-taxa..., list of treaties per country: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/individuals/personal-t....

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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I'm living in Sofia and I wouldn't live anywhere else. I got a comfortable job in IT which makes me a outlier though. I pay around 20% of my income in taxes and national insurance funds, excluding VAT. I actually believe I should be taxed more, even thought I'm far from the 1%. My costs for housing, utilities and transportation are low. Entertainment is cheap and the cafe's and clubs are always full. I get to eat out…

> I actually believe I should be taxed more, even thought I'm far from the 1%.

This only makes sense if BG had an efficient govt that wouldn't steal your money. The reverse is very much true, so this is a mistake. If it happens, you should try to fight it, as that money will just go into the pockets of state-connected oligarchs.

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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How does the politics and whatever people are saying affect your day to day life though? If you can make 10k a month there and buy a flat for 15k, in a few years you don't even need to work anymore. Why would you not even consider living there? Maybe as the old saying: familiarity breeds contempt

It's easy to ignore politics and live as a tourist if you re an expat. Being a native, with native family / friends always drags you back into local / national politics - in general it's harder to disentangle yourself.

As a Bulgarian who lives in the UK, I can 100% attest to this. I've found it extremely hard to disengage from the culture I've been so used to for the first 21 years of my life while being surrounded by it. Whenever I go back I only see the negatives - it's as if the country is ruined for me.

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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Here's another Bulgarian in London's take:

The culture is toxic. Especially if you are a student in your 20s. Violence is not uncommon and people generally look at you in a dominant way, even if you're not frail. I am not part of the minority but I believe if you were an evident homosexual it would be easy to get beat up/bullied.

Envy, especially prevalent outside the "big" Sofia, is everywhere. From my experience, people are very materialistic in Bulgaria - perhaps it is the lack that causes them to be such.

Small, close-minded people are very prevalent too. It is very hard to find open-minded people who believe in possibilities. Lots of pessimism.

Quality of life is bad - there is no Amazon where you can "just" order what you want, copies of services like UberEats/Deliveroo are awful and do not offer high-quality food. In fact, the food is generally of low quality here in Bulgaria - a ton of cheap bad-quality imports. Finding quality food means going to local farmer's markets and special shops which is very time consuming. No Uber/Lyft but an awful Taxi system where I can swear every driver is a horrendous human being. I always cringe and try to keep my mouth shut as to not engage in a conversation when I am riding in a Bulgarian taxi.

I recently traveled from Madrid to Sofia on a road trip and I immediately noticed the horrendous customer service in Bulgaria compared to all the other countries I passed. Many people are miserable and cannot break a smile even if you made them. Not to say they're not justified but from my point of view I would rather not be surrounded by it.

Nobody in the comments mentioned how incredibly dirty Bulgaria, and especially Sofia, are. In the winter the snow never gets cleaned and walking places becomes very difficult - a real drag. Roads are horrendous and full of mud, dirty snow, etc. The air pollution in Sofia is one of the worst in Europe - I've lived there for two years and depending on the region, you can be forced to have your windows at home closed during the winter in order to avoid your house smelling like dirt.

And as somebody else had said, as a native, it is incredibly easy to get dragged back into the negatives of the country. I almost feel as if this place has been ruined for me permanently because I disliked living there for so long during my childhood. Bulgaria is not all bad, obviously, every place has some good and some bad. Perhaps it is not a bad place to try out as a foreigner - other foreigners seem to like it and there are constantly news in the Bulgarian media of how "X" Australian family moved to live in a small rural village and are enjoying life to the fullest.

One thing that stands out to me in Bulgaria is the quality of women. This may be because of my nationality, but I find most Bulgarian women very attractive. Further, a lot of them have been taught the right beliefs and are not after money/attention but are rather looking for a stable decent man to fall in love with.

That being said, I don't think I can ever come back and live a full life here. Perhaps I can hang out in some mountain village when I want a break from society, or rent a summer flat on the beach when I want to have some fun, but I never see myself living the normal life of working a satisfying 9-5 in this country - the environment is just not conducive to that.

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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That would still be illegal, just because no one is enforcing it doesn't make it legal. FWIW, some of the other low tax jurisdictions in Europe actually do audit expats living there, to ensure they are actually spending time there. I know Monaco does.

> That would still be illegal, just because no one is enforcing it doesn't make it legal What is it you think would be illegal? You appear to be pretty confused between "liable to pay tax", "resident enough to convince your home tax jurisdiction that you're no longer resident there" and "resident enough to qualify for citizenship programme", all of which are quite different.

cute games only work so long.

first rule and most important one... never F the tax-man.

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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I'm living in Sofia and I wouldn't live anywhere else. I got a comfortable job in IT which makes me a outlier though. I pay around 20% of my income in taxes and national insurance funds, excluding VAT. I actually believe I should be taxed more, even thought I'm far from the 1%. My costs for housing, utilities and transportation are low. Entertainment is cheap and the cafe's and clubs are always full. I get to eat out…

> I actually believe I should be taxed more, even thought I'm far from the 1%. This only makes sense if BG had an efficient govt that wouldn't steal your money. The reverse is very much true, so this is a mistake. If it happens, you should try to fight it, as that money will just go into the pockets of state-connected oligarchs.

BG has problems, but it is not a kleptocracy.

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I actually believe I should be taxed more, even thought I'm far from the 1%. This only makes sense if BG had an efficient govt that wouldn't steal your money. The reverse is very much true, so this is a mistake. If it happens, you should try to fight it, as that money will just go into the pockets of state-connected oligarchs.

BG has problems, but it is not a kleptocracy.

For example, all infrastructure contracts are rewarded to a select few companies. These companies charge outrageous rates, building highways and bridges etc. at some of the highest rates per km in the EU, all the while these roads end up with significant technical problems just 2-3 years into exploitation, due to poor work and, more importantly, the use of lower quality than the spec materials (outright fraud), all the while paying workers 500EU / month. Based on my research, I'd estimate around 60-70% of the construction costs are theft.

Or do you want to talk about the fact that BG fuel prices are about the same as all other eastern EU countries, all the while, BG has the lowest fuel tax rates and the same (or lower) VAT, thus more money goes into Lukoil and gas station monopolies than anywhere else.

You are very uninformed.

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