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Attorney General will ask Zuckerberg to halt plans for end-to-end encryption

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Does End-to-End Encryption mean anything here?

What's stopping the government from just forcing Facebook to provide access to the servers directly, or through some sort of portal?

This just means the government can't intercept them without Facebook cooperation... no?

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"We are writing to request that Facebook does not proceed with its plan to implement end-to-end encryption across its messaging services without ensuring that there is no reduction to user safety." Isn't the entire point of E2E Encryption for user safety, as in safety from the government reading your message?

They’re talking about national security. They want to read your messages so they can see if you’re a potential terrorist. They are not talking about users security. They don’t give a fuck about that as evidenced by the equifax debacle.

> They want to read your messages so they can see if you’re a potential terrorist.

That is their stated reason. If given access they will also read your messages to determine if you are a drug dealer, or a drug user, or have committed financial crimes, or if you're organizing disfavored political activity, or...

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How can they know they capture 99% of such content given that WhatsApp is (if I understand correctly) encrypted fully end to end such that Facebook cannot access the messages passing through it?

A third party observer cannot read the messages as they pass through the whatsapp network, but Facebook can read the messages at both ends. Facebook has said that they don't do this outside of Australia, where it is required by law, but come on, are we really going to take Zuckerberg's word for it?

This is what I find so fascinating. Yes, it cannot be intercepted in transit. But nothing is stopping the keyboard on which I type or the text box in which I type from collecting all the things and sending those things where ever they want. In-transit interception, in this context, seems like a fruitless threat model when compared to the keyboard/text box vector.

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> We are writing to request that Facebook does not proceed with its plan to implement end-to-end encryption across its messaging services without ensuring that there is no reduction to user safety. Oh, so you’re asking for more end-to-end encryption? > While the letter acknowledges that Facebook, which owns Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram, captures 99% of child exploitation and terrorism-related content t…

How can they know they capture 99% of such content given that WhatsApp is (if I understand correctly) encrypted fully end to end such that Facebook cannot access the messages passing through it?

Since WhatsApp is proprietary on both client and server side, it can't be proven that OpenWhisper wasn't tampered with. And chances are always against users when we speak of proprietary.

It's disgraceful that Signal hailed WhatsApp's announcement to use it almost like a second coming of a religious figure.

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99% of domestic disturbances happen in private homes. Should they put cameras there, too?

It's called "Telescreen" and will be soon available.

It's called laptop, smartphone and smart tv, is already available and we do know it's already watched and listened to.

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#128

If they don't do E2E, users will abandon Facebook for platforms that do support it (and already are). And they aren't doing this to commit crimes, but to prevent advertisements from targeting every conversation they've ever had.

They won't. People are not really giving a crap for their (and their peers') safety. Just look at how popular Discord is alongside FB.

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The claim of catching 99% of activity is really hard to justify. In many detection systems you cannot know your true number of false negatives. It's inherently unknowable in this case. A better metric would be mean time to detection for a given CEP sharer or perhaps a metric around how much CEP is shared before detection, or perhaps a metric for network size of CEP and how well FB can clean up an entire network at on…

You can never know the exact number, but you can accurately estimate it. This is the entire point of statistical inference.

Re: Attorney General will ask Zuckerberg to halt plans for end-to-end encryption

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post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

99% of domestic disturbances happen in private homes. Should they put cameras there, too?

It's called "Telescreen" and will be soon available.

You mean Portal? https://portal.facebook.com
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