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NAT is annoying though
For what real world reasons?
Ah, the mythical "real world" where your concerns and requirements don't matter, and mine do.
Update: Approaching IPv4 Run-out
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#62I wonder if they will implement some kind of clawback for orgs that are sitting on large chunks of sparsely used blocks. Old tech companies and colleges come to mind. https://myip.ms/info/ip_ranges_blocks/Major_Biggest_IP_Addre...
Who is 'they', and under what authority? If you're thinking about RIPE or ARIN, legacy block allocations predate those organisations even existing. They have no rights over that space. At the same time, IANA has delegated 'future' (read: sometime in the past, but not until after those legacy allocations) responsibility to the RIRs (ARIN, RIPE, APNIC, LACNIC, AFRINIC). Finally, how do you determine whether or not spac…
Not sure on who "they" is, to be honest. But if/when ipv4s become very difficult to obtain, lots of potential "theys" will likely emerge. Powerful companies and governments won't just shrug it off.
Similar to eminent domain maybe.
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I doubt that, but I think we're going to see more and more companies to sell off the unused blocks. Last year MIT sold off 1/2 of 18.0.0.0/8 to Amazon. It looks like the going rate per IP is between $20-$24 currently: https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-salesw
That's a good point...further scarcity will drive the prices to a point where selling is very attractive.
ipv4 is the new bitcoin?
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#64I wonder if they will implement some kind of clawback for orgs that are sitting on large chunks of sparsely used blocks. Old tech companies and colleges come to mind. https://myip.ms/info/ip_ranges_blocks/Major_Biggest_IP_Addre...
When I was at Cisco, I'm pretty sure my desk phone had a public IP.
In what, 1998? They have been on RFC1918 for like 20 years.
Source: Worked at Cisco.
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That's a good point...further scarcity will drive the prices to a point where selling is very attractive.
ipv4 is the new bitcoin?
Don't know how credible it is, but these folks were predicting the current ~$20 price goes to ~$50 over a year's time:
Chart: https://www.retevia.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/IPv4-Pric...
Article: https://www.retevia.net/address-pricing-2019-and-beyond/
Re: Update: Approaching IPv4 Run-out
#66What's going on with IPv6 that is preventing it from alleviating the IPv4 scarcity?
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#67What's going on with IPv6 that is preventing it from alleviating the IPv4 scarcity?
IMHO, corporate IT: "what's the business case for this?".
It could be cheaper to buy IPv4 than have a company-wide (dual-stack?) IPv6 rollout:
* http://www.circleid.com/posts/20190815_the_2019_ipv4_market_...
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And more importantly, server-side adoption excluding Cloudflare, or at least a breakdown by IP and not by website.
Instead of excluding CF, I'd like to see server stats weighted by popularity. I'd bet that the concentration of traffic to just a few mega-sites means most people can now get by just fine with IPv6.
You might be surprised. For reasons I can't begin to fathom, a coffee shop near me used to have its wifi router set up to only permit connections to external sites over IPv6. I was legitimately surprised at how many sites I couldn't access from there, including sites from Fortune 50 companies and big tech firms, who you'd expect to be among those who'd be on top of this sort of thing.
(Including, ahem, HN.)
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The more ISPs migrate to IPv6 and CG-NAT, the more free IPv4 addresses for everyone else. Wich means the migration will take a really long time. Also the only way to reach an IPv6 target from a IPv4 source is through a CG-NAT, so dual stack IPv6+CG-NAT deployments should be the norm for many years to come.
> The more ISPs migrate to IPv6 and CG-NAT, the more free IPv4 addresses for everyone else. Uhhh, they're not returning their IPv4 addresses to any kind of free pool. Those IPs that they have allocated remain with them.
If they can make money selling them I don’t see that happening.