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Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by SirHound »

ackshually wrote: post #22
frobozz wrote: post #5

There, at the top of "Other Expenditures", Slightly smaller than running the Office of the Secretary of State for Wales. That is what's governing the entire political agenda right now. That's the amount of money stuck on the side of a bus with the suggestion that we could spend it on the NHS instead

I didn't vote leave because of the money. I voted leave because I was dubious about the control the elected and unelected officials and secretaries in brussels had over British politics, and the rats nest of well paid jobs with crazy benefits waiting for british politicians in brussels when they retire from british politics, so long as they play nice with the EU and go along with the will of the government in Brussel…

So you voted leave in case some people had career progression within a bureaucracy? So happy you felt it appropriate to sacrifice my right to live in my country of residence because you were "dubious". To think it wasn't for the money. It's comments like this for which half the country will never be forgiven.

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by pjc50 »

kmm wrote: post #73
pjc50 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, anyone who's still a Brexiteer has engaged in some extremely selective listening. There's no point in having a discussion with someone who won't seriously address the entirely likely problems of Brexit, both as a concept and how it is currently being done. (I mean, Brexiting to the status of Norway might at least have been feasible, but that's now a long way in the rear view mirror.)

I'm personally very worried about sentiments like the one you express. The smug complete dismissal of another's viewpoints, complete refusal to even just listen, generalizing over all people with the same ideas... Opinions like being in favor of Brexit are not in any sense as fundamentally objectionable and unacceptable even for disucussion as, for example, nazism or racism. Political divisiveness is a significant is…

Being in favor of Brexit a few years ago was defensible - I used to be a moderate Euroskeptic myself. Being in favor of this Brexit here now is exactly what you're talking about: it requires dismissing all the other viewpoints and possible problems, such as the Irish border and what happens to people from whom freedom of movement is removed.

"Smug complete dismissal of another's viewpoints" is exactly what the Tory government has done, and exactly why it's got into such a mess.

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by AdamGibbins »

kalleboo wrote: post #50
smcl wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is quite interesting, a sizeable chunk (roughly 16 out of 90 bil) come from "Investment returns" - I guess the SG government have substantial stakes in businesses operating there?

Yes, including banking, real estate, telco, public transit, media monopoly, port operations, and Singapore Airlines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temasek_Holdings

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIC_Private_Limited

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by colinb »

SirHound wrote: post #111
ackshually wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't vote leave because of the money. I voted leave because I was dubious about the control the elected and unelected officials and secretaries in brussels had over British politics, and the rats nest of well paid jobs with crazy benefits waiting for british politicians in brussels when they retire from british politics, so long as they play nice with the EU and go along with the will of the government in Brussel…

So you voted leave in case some people had career progression within a bureaucracy? So happy you felt it appropriate to sacrifice my right to live in my country of residence because you were "dubious". To think it wasn't for the money. It's comments like this for which half the country will never be forgiven.

maybe if you got less angry, you wouldn't have spend so much time searching for forgiveness. The GP's comment opened with `I voted leave because I was dubious about the control the elected and unelected officials and secretaries in brussels had over British politics, `

I think it's a valid concern. Though not enough to sway my vote iff I'd remained but I was leaving the UK all by myself so it seemed unfair. But if all you can do is talk about how those who disagree with you do or don't deserve your forgiveness, then the fault is within you.

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Post by treerock »

666lumberjack wrote: post #100
alecco wrote: post #87

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In spite of a mostly balanced budget, the growth of non-current liabilites is accelerating. I wonder if this just is due to an aging population and it's effect in pensions or if there are other factors. https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-kingdom/2017/

UK state pensions obey the so-called 'Triple Lock' rule where they increase in payout yearly according to the greatest of: 1. the growth in national average earnings; 2. the growth in retail prices as measured by the Consumer Price Index; 3. 2.5 per cent. This causes an additional increase in pension costs over time on top of the effect of the country's aging population and is a source of resentment among some young…

That's got to be offset by the increasing pension age?

Apparently accelerating the changes saved around £215bn (between 2011 and 2026).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49917315

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by Spare_account »

barryfandango wrote: post #38
hardlianotion wrote: post #9

That is a great idea. Understanding government expenditure on some level should be a fundamental part of a citizen's participation. I don't yet fully understand how to read it. It's not really clear to me what the difference in income and expenditure is - the impression the diagram gives me is other that income is balanced by expenditure, or that there is a budget surplus maybe. I think I recall that there is a budge…

Shameless plug colon my company does this for cities. http://burlington.openbook.questica.com/

Did you use voice-to-text to type this comment?

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by pjc50 »

nvarsj wrote: post #84
fergie wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Lets call him "Johnson". "Boris" is either patronising or affectionate, and neither is appropriate for a head of state.) No Conservative government has served an entire term with an outright majority since Thatcher in the 1980s. Johnson is in a sense "unelected", but his premiership is no less legitimate than that of Cameron or Major. Like it or not, Johnson was the "biggest" voice behind the successful Brexit campa…

I’m not sure this is true. Cameron had a majority government after the 2015 election. Prior there was a coalition government which also held a majority. May lost the majority after the snap election and had to build a coalition with the DUP and others. In Johnson’s case he doesn’t have any majority at all. It’s a weird situation that only exists afaik because of the fixed term act, as the PM can no longer trigger an…

Exactly. The FTPA has been a disaster here. What should have happened was May's deal being a confidence vote back in March, so either it would have passed or we'd have had a fresh election.

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

fergie wrote: post #110
nvarsj wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure this is true. Cameron had a majority government after the 2015 election. Prior there was a coalition government which also held a majority. May lost the majority after the snap election and had to build a coalition with the DUP and others. In Johnson’s case he doesn’t have any majority at all. It’s a weird situation that only exists afaik because of the fixed term act, as the PM can no longer trigger an…

Its true that Cameron won a majority in 2015- he just didn't manage to serve a full term. John Major took over from Margaret Thatcher (and so was unelected) and then despite winning the election in 1992, lost his majority again in 1996. So yes, it seems shocking, but the last Conservative leader to win an election and then serve a full term of majority government was Thatcher from '83 to '87

...and that was only because of the early election on the back of the Falklands dividend. They were shaping up to lose badly until then, or at best a hung parliament.

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by pjc50 »

colinb wrote: post #114
SirHound wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you voted leave in case some people had career progression within a bureaucracy? So happy you felt it appropriate to sacrifice my right to live in my country of residence because you were "dubious". To think it wasn't for the money. It's comments like this for which half the country will never be forgiven.

maybe if you got less angry, you wouldn't have spend so much time searching for forgiveness. The GP's comment opened with `I voted leave because I was dubious about the control the elected and unelected officials and secretaries in brussels had over British politics, ` I think it's a valid concern. Though not enough to sway my vote iff I'd remained but I was leaving the UK all by myself so it seemed unfair. But if al…

But it's an extremely narrow view. It's a single concern, that requires ignoring all the other concerns. And in this case it's not a mere disagreement: every European living in the UK will be subject to the inconvenience and expense of settled status at best - and not all of them are eligible. Plenty of people have been handed the life-wrecking answer that they aren't eligible for settled status and have to leave their home or eventually the Home Office will deport them. I see no reason why those people should forgive.

( https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/reports/unse... )

Wanting to leave the EU is an opinion. Voting to leave the EU is an action. That action has imposed a lot of costs and inconvenience on people, seemingly for no good reason. Why should those people forgive?

Re: United Kingdom Budget Visualization

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Post by foldr »

deadbunny wrote: post #79
monadgonad wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Understanding government expenditure on some level should be a fundamental part of a citizen's participation. HMRC sends people this information annually - a breakdown of what their amount of tax paid was spent on.

That doesn't mean it's understandable to the average person. SpaceX could send me detailed schematics of every rocket that launches and I wouldn't have a clue how it works.

It's a simple pie chart.
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