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Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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In addition to tariffs, they were effectively training their competitors in China. Manufacturing in China just accelerates the rate of IP theft.

Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

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Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Samsung already makes most of their phones in Vietnam. Not a huge difference, other than the lack of tariffs. https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/04/12/why-samsung-of-sou...

There should be more push back against goods made in non-democratic countries like Vietnam, and not just against Made-in-China. My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy S5 and I was surprised to find out that it was made in Korea. Manufacturing in Korea certainly didn't seem to harm Samsung's financial prospects back then, and the phone wasn't any more expensive than its Made-in-China competitors. I have zero reservati…

Nah, company only manufacture in cheap countries.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

It's also how the US grew in the 18th century, by stealing IP from the global technological leader, Britain (who stole a great deal from India).

I know Britain exploited the hell out of India as a colony, but what IP did they steal?

Or did you just mean stolen resources?

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Why?

I'll try it without citations :) Because China is an authoritarian regime that imprisons, and sometimes kills, people for their opinions. Because China systematically destroyed one of the oldest and most peaceful cultures the world has ever seen in Tibet. Because China put 100's of 1000's of Muslims in concentration camps. A program which is still happening by all (non Chinese government) accounts. And so on. Not tha…

You forgot to mention medical tourism for organ transplants taken from young, healthy people that happen to follow the wrong ideology.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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This reeks of whataboutism. IP theft is problematic and nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has. The Chinese intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in IP theft as well.

The entire US Industrial Revolution was kicked off by Francis Cabot Lowell stealing the designs of British power looms. Alexander Hamilton, as treasury secretary, adopted an actual policy of stealing technology and sent spies to Britain as well. This is how it works. Countries without technology steal it from those that do. It's basically a market force- if you don't make it available at something approaching a reaso…

But you are only comparing what is outwardly done and neglecting the motivations, the human factor. Our founding fathers were good people, their hearts were in the right place. The Chinese are bad people, we can all agree with that. Identical actions can still be morally different because they proceed from different motives.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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In addition to tariffs, they were effectively training their competitors in China. Manufacturing in China just accelerates the rate of IP theft.

Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

No. Samsung grew during Japan's trade row with the US in the 80's. The trade hostility between the two nations gave opportunity for Samsung to jump in the DRAM business, just in time for their 64K and 256K breakthroughs ahead of competition in 1984. By 90's, Samsung was already ahead of most Japanese competitors.

Now, stop making stuff up to rationalize China's IP theft.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Samsung already makes most of their phones in Vietnam. Not a huge difference, other than the lack of tariffs. https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/04/12/why-samsung-of-sou...

There should be more push back against goods made in non-democratic countries like Vietnam, and not just against Made-in-China. My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy S5 and I was surprised to find out that it was made in Korea. Manufacturing in Korea certainly didn't seem to harm Samsung's financial prospects back then, and the phone wasn't any more expensive than its Made-in-China competitors. I have zero reservati…

China is particularly problematic because they are huge and powerful. I agree it would be better to use democratic countries instead, but since that's not gonna happen, I'm glad companies are at least moving to smaller countries.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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It's also how the US grew in the 18th century, by stealing IP from the global technological leader, Britain (who stole a great deal from India).

I know Britain exploited the hell out of India as a colony, but what IP did they steal? Or did you just mean stolen resources?

Stolen resources.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

This reeks of whataboutism. IP theft is problematic and nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has. The Chinese intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in IP theft as well.

"extent" is irrelevant in this context because we are not comparing individual people but groups, and China has a much larger population than other countries. The real problem is not quantity but quality. IP theft done by better human beings is perfectly justifiable.
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