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Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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I sometimes see biodegradable packing peanuts that resemble tasteless Cheese puffs used as alternative. So much better, I wonder why the styrofoam puffs are even still allowed. Another side note, look at this sign that I've seen aboard vessels: https://vesselplacards.com/product/garbage-overboard-marpol-... It basically states "Don't throw garbage overboard, You could be breaking the law" as if it being illegal shoul…

"resemble tasteless Cheese puffs"

Resemble in looks or taste?

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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post #48

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"Approximately 1 billion people people are dependent on fish as the principal source of animal protein" http://www.suds-en-ligne.ird.fr/ecosys/ang_ecosys/intro1.htm

Do those folks know that peas, tofu, nuts, etc. have protein too?

These are people in some of the poorest countries like Bangladesh. Are pea proteins cost effective and available in sufficient enough quantities to feed all these people? Other people brought up that it isn't just about the protein but other essentials things like amino acids.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Aren't there some laws prohibiting this kind of behavior? I mean, willingly and purposely dumping tons of plastic waste in the ocean should be a crime everywhere no? Can't do that with oil, why is it permitted with plastic?

Well, at least it's another group added to my list of people we could do without.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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post #50

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It'd be great if fishers needed to be checked for how many nets they have on board and then checked when they arrive and then be fined for the difference.

Or only allow certified nets, and make them cost so much that you'll never want to dump them in sea.

Also valid, but in this case you'll still need to check their ships before they leave. Though I guess the cost of the nets could help pay for these checks.

I imagine in both cases the ships would just have a boat meet them out at sea with additional nets so they either don't need to pay the fine for nets lost or don't need to buy expensive certified nets.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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post #134

I sometimes see biodegradable packing peanuts that resemble tasteless Cheese puffs used as alternative. So much better, I wonder why the styrofoam puffs are even still allowed. Another side note, look at this sign that I've seen aboard vessels: https://vesselplacards.com/product/garbage-overboard-marpol-... It basically states "Don't throw garbage overboard, You could be breaking the law" as if it being illegal shoul…

"resemble tasteless Cheese puffs" Resemble in looks or taste?

Look AND taste. They are starch-based, biodegradable and nontoxic. Not very tasty but I've tried one!

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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post #134

I sometimes see biodegradable packing peanuts that resemble tasteless Cheese puffs used as alternative. So much better, I wonder why the styrofoam puffs are even still allowed. Another side note, look at this sign that I've seen aboard vessels: https://vesselplacards.com/product/garbage-overboard-marpol-... It basically states "Don't throw garbage overboard, You could be breaking the law" as if it being illegal shoul…

"resemble tasteless Cheese puffs" Resemble in looks or taste?

Both. They're made of corn starch, which is what puffy Cheetos are made of, and manufactured literally the same way, except without the cheese flavor powder mixed in. They taste like "nothing" (well, they probably taste like pure corn starch but I've never eaten that so I don't have a reference.)

Source: a member of my immediate family worked at a company that manufactured them and brought home many samples. We'd freak people out by eating them. The joke was always "What do you pack packing material in for shipping?"

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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post #67

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> chances are, every one of those straws being used in an American city would end up in a well run landfill My front yard disagrees. It's adjacent to a somewhat busy road, and straws are part of the debris I have to routinely clean up (along with various wrappers and cigarette butts).

that's anecdotal evidence. how may of the straws used in your city end up in a front yard?

On the other hand all the straws have to go somewhere. If you're picking up one straw a day from your garden, you'd expect each household in the city to generate at least one improperly disposed of straw per day.

How do you think they generate statistics for this kind of thing? They don't count everything, they take samples and infer from that.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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post #134

I sometimes see biodegradable packing peanuts that resemble tasteless Cheese puffs used as alternative. So much better, I wonder why the styrofoam puffs are even still allowed. Another side note, look at this sign that I've seen aboard vessels: https://vesselplacards.com/product/garbage-overboard-marpol-... It basically states "Don't throw garbage overboard, You could be breaking the law" as if it being illegal shoul…

"resemble tasteless Cheese puffs" Resemble in looks or taste?

A bit of both

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Except that’s not improving the planet even a bit — chances are, every one of those straws being used in an American city would end up in a well run landfill and have minimal impact on the environment. It’s yet another example of knuckle dragging elites using state force to virtue signal. Meanwhile the real sources of the problem get ignored.

Except that’s not improving the planet even a bit. Arguably it raises awareness and the shard belief in at least the principle of individual responsibility. Against the overwhelming tide of the "Fuck it, I'll be dead before this shit starts to really come down on our heads anyway" which would otherwise be the reigning default.

Stop raising awareness and start triaging. At a certain point, everyone is aware of the top line issues and you just need to prioritize public attention.

You (obviously) can't do this on your own and, at a certain level, the environmental movement's focus on bogus, small-time, feel-good issues reveals its cynicism. BUT PLEASE, stop defending it. You're just empowering those looking for a reason to resent the movement.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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post #77

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I sometimes wonder if this "plastic straw" wasn't another of 4Chan's trolling attempts... Like, sure, reduce plastic straw usage, but most bars just replaced them with paper straws. That is obviously a stupidly wrong solution, the vast majority of the population can easily manage without straws entirely, so really it just shows that people don't actually care about the environment, it's all just virtue signalling...

Why are paper straws the wrong solution? Even if they take a little more energy to produce they at least don't leave long-term waste behind.

At least plastic straws are multi-use. It's rare that a paper straw makes it through a single drink.
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