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Most people want stricter background checks. If you pass the checks it's fine. No one is taking away your guns.

> No one is taking away your guns. You're right, but it's not due to a lack of trying. Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Beto O’Rourke all support mandatory buybacks.

Of specific guns, namely rifles designed for military use. Shotguns, pistols, and low-capacity rifles are still fine.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#742

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It peeves me to no end to you just brought out the whole climate change skeptics handbook so surreptitiously, why didn't you make your opinions known in your earlier comments?

Which fact have I mentioned that you think is incorrect?

It's not as simple as more CO2 = better plant growth. In fact it is likely the opposite for C3 plants. [0] Things like Corn, which uses C4 photosynthesis will hardly be affected by more CO2 in the atmosphere. I could go on and on, but this thread is the wrong place for this discussion.

[0]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4036122/

https://science.gu.se/english/News/News_detail/increased-car...

https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/effects-of...

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#743
post #731

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Imagine yourself a party bureaucrat. Would you do a 100% career ending move? That's why I point to the crisis being irresolvable. No way out of this for both sides.

The king of Botswana did it to himself. (and was then democratically elected as the president) The General in Nigeria who overthrew the President in a Coup then handed power over to a new democratically elected President a year later. Yes. Good, honest upstanding men (and women) will destroy their own position and power when it's the right thing to to. The hard part is finding the Good and honest ones, and I suspect…

I'm not even talking about leaders on the level politburo, there is no chance they will move. People who reach this level are pretty much robots after 40+ year careers in the party.

People on level municipalities, and provinces may show some rare signs of common sense from time to time, but them moment any of them (yes, even a provincial governor) will rise a hand, they will instantly be politically terminated.

And you have a system where tops are incapable of integrating any input for plainly neurological-biological reasons, and anybody with a shade of influence on them is super duper afraid of getting politically railroaded by both higher ups, and peers contending for promotion.

This is modern China for you.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#744

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> No one is taking away your guns. You're right, but it's not due to a lack of trying. Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Beto O’Rourke all support mandatory buybacks.

Of specific guns, namely rifles designed for military use. Shotguns, pistols, and low-capacity rifles are still fine.

I don't think the military uses too many small caliber semi-auto rifles. Any modern military rifle I can think of was banned for new sale in 1986.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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> Imagine if the US suddenly had a dictator This is why we have the second amendment. And the constitution as the thing to which office-holders swear allegiance to rather than to "the party" or "the president".

I think it is unfortunate that so many Americans don't know about the history of the Black Panthers. In US public school system, we are taught that the Civil Rights Act was won through peaceful marching - this is not the whole story. Black Panthers carried guns to protect protests, and having guns created a situation where cops could not rush in and beat dissent into submission. There is a strong argument that withou…

Hence Dave Chappelle's 'joke' that African-Americans should start registering for firearm licences en masse.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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> Imagine if the US suddenly had a dictator This is why we have the second amendment. And the constitution as the thing to which office-holders swear allegiance to rather than to "the party" or "the president".

Police shoot & kill unarmed people in the United States every. fucking. day. 2019: Jeremy Connolly, Wallace Wilder, Bobby Ray Moore, Raymond Lewis Williams, Channara Tom Pheap, Dennis Carolino, Chad Michael Breinholt, Riley Eugene Peay, Michael Tuck, James Crowe, Amari Malone, Michael Lopez, Jared R. Nelson, Schaston Theodore Lamarr Hodge, Mike Parsley, Uzzle Jerome, Rashad Cunningham, Jovany Mercado-Bedolla, Jamie F…

unarmed does not equal harmless

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#747

Sure, the kid was swinging at the officer, and I suppose that warrants the officer acting in self-defense. But another question is, what are the protesters supposed to do? The government has all the power, and can simply snuff out any resistence. If you just stand in the streets, they really don't care, they are going to take your freedom. Imagine if the US suddenly had a dictator that just decided they were going to…

How many American military personnel would just be OK with being told by the President to take property rights and freedoms like that? Do you think they're mind-controlled idiots? It doesn't just suddenly happen, we don't have a totalitarian mindset, it would have to be very gradual and against people who are demonized as immoral or as a scourge on society, like Mexicans or Jews or liberals or Christians. Even then it's so easy to spread news and there's so many people with guns and easy accessibility that it's just going to happen unless we become a more complacent fascist country.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#748

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As a Canadian, I’m always confused at how safe Americans think a gun makes them when in the woods. Guns are not a good defence against many wild animals. Get some bear spray, it is dramatically more effective and will not kill somebody as easily if you accidentally shoot a person in the dark! Point taken about the civil rights marches though

I have witnessed a teen use bear spray in a fight that took place outside of tim hortons between 20 teens and an (Not naming) Food delivery service driver in their mid 40's. The guy was screaming on the floor for an hour. The Police considered it as a weapon.

still better than having been shot multiple times at close range, no?

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#749

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The six mass extinction event that humanity is currently causing is going to affect billions of people for centuries to come. If we have systemic ecosystem collapses and 90% of species go extinct, there will be a profound effects. When crops fail and fresh, potable water is extremely constrained, authoritarianism will sweep the world at an even more accelerated pace and regional and world wars are likely. It will be…

If humanity is causing extinctions, it's due to habitat destruction and local pollution. Climate change (+0.38C from 1980-2010) is not the cause.

How did you come to this conclusion?

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#750

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That is not true, although there is a DailyKos article that says that. Whatever rights they wanted to give the states in the Constitution, they gave to "the states". The right to bear arms was specifically given to "the people", to prevent disarmament.

The states are not the same as the people. You literally notice what you wrote is different in the two sets of quotes you have here, right?

Right, the states are not the same as the people. The right to bear arms is the right "of the people".
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