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Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by pjc50 »

comtn wrote: post #185
ratsmack wrote: post #151

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Because I only know Python.

That is a poor example. Rust and Python are vastly dissimilar, and one could easily be recommended over the other for various reasons. Python for portability, Rust for system oriented programming. To say you don't use rust because you don't know it is an excuse, and a terrible one at that. i would say the learning curve of Python is similar to Rust, why not learn?

I don't think I've ever had a job where I got to start a sizeable program with a free choice of language to make all my coworkers learn.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by dang »

Avamander wrote: post #170
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #168

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Way to get what I said out of context. You are just as bad HN user as a SO user. Cry some more.

What did I get out of context? Or do you just feel finally called out?

Please don't perpetuate tedious tit-for-tat spats on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by dang »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #168
Avamander wrote: post #159

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> I stopped participating because of the push to be more “welcoming” Because it's somehow hard to be welcoming? I guess it is for some people and now instead of a snarky comment they're just voting down, making everyone feel much better (/s). > as answers or those that can’t be bothered to search for anything, just want a solution HERE AND NOW. If only privileged users on SO closed such questions, but they don't. Peo…

Way to get what I said out of context. You are just as bad HN user as a SO user. Cry some more.

We ban users who attack others like this, regardless of what the other commenter did. We've hard to warn you about this before. Please don't do this again.

Please do review the site guidelines and use HN in the intended spirit: kind, thoughtful, curious conversation.

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Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by tanseydavid »

Avamander wrote: post #160
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #95

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Who am I oppressing exactly? By downvoting, am I oppressing the asking person? That’s ridiculous. Why does everyone insist on being so weak-minded?

You're literally invalidating all the effort put into the question with a single downvote without consequence to you. How do you not see that? Don't try to process more question volume that you can adequately rate, it isn't that hard. The path to hell is paved with good intentions (to make SO a better knowledge site).

How many SO moderators do you actually know @Avamander?

Are they all the same?

You repeatedly make really broad generalizations about SO mods that do nothing to help make your point.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by dang »

vcavallo wrote: post #197
comtn wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a poor example. Rust and Python are vastly dissimilar, and one could easily be recommended over the other for various reasons. Python for portability, Rust for system oriented programming. To say you don't use rust because you don't know it is an excuse, and a terrible one at that. i would say the learning curve of Python is similar to Rust, why not learn?

I really hope this is part of the joke. if it’s not, you’re really a fucked up individual

Personal attacks will get you banned here. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the spirit of this site to heart? We'd be grateful.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by LeoNatan25 »

dang wrote: post #263
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Way to get what I said out of context. You are just as bad HN user as a SO user. Cry some more.

We ban users who attack others like this, regardless of what the other commenter did. We've hard to warn you about this before. Please don't do this again. Please do review the site guidelines and use HN in the intended spirit: kind, thoughtful, curious conversation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Apologies, I did step over the line, but please consider the entire conversation.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by dwohnitmok »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #29

This is natural selection at work. Stack Exchange has become a frustrating site to use. "Closed as duplicate: different and unrelated question" reopen further explaining the question and how its not related "Closed as duplicate: the first question that was immediately closed with no replies" OR! Google around, find SE link on issue, everybody is arguing about why the user wants to do it that why, convinces them to do…

AFAICT among mods there is a good deal of discontent because of the precise opposite reason. In their opinion Stack Overflow has gone overboard with the "Welcome Wagon" and made it overly accommodating to newcomers without thought for the downstream impacts to mods and quality answers.

https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/386324/the-stack-ov...

https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/331513/lets-take-a-...

This particular wave seems to be touched off by the firing of a well-loved mod over disagreements in a new CoC.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by Dobbs »

9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #245
Dobbs wrote: post #174

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I really wish more details about this was available. > it seems that SE is unwilling to protect trans moderators from vitriol by other mods. Reading Monica's post made me pretty sure this was trans related. I'm sad that I was right. > [From Monica's Post] unlike the rest of the CoC, this rule mandates specific, positive actions. This is something I've heard many times from anti-trans activists in order to justify the…

Well in this case biology doesn't give the question a consideration, even though the issue is not anyone, even the moderator in question, attacking anyone for being transsexual. No one even knows one gender on stackoverflow, you just assume it from name or write neutrally.

What does biology have to do with what I wrote? If someone says call me Pete and you then insist on calling them Sam, you are being a jerk.

Also “write neutrally” tends to not actually be written neutrally. “Guys” being one of the common examples, it is used neutrally but inherently has a male biases. This can be frustrating to many women, trans or cis. Invisible Women has a lot in it about this problem and knock on effects of it.

Why are you using the word transsexual? It is largely a medical term at this point referring to the someone who has undergone full SRS. As it is generally considered quite rude to talk about people’s genital configuration the LGBT community has largely moved on from this term to transgender.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #243
csande17 wrote: post #211

This resignation notice from a moderator on the Christianity Stack Exchange appears to provide the most detail about what's going on: https://christianity.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6718/b...

The whole pronoun drama that is inherently American is tearing down international communities left and right despite it not being even an issue.

If it really wasn't even an issue, this wouldn't be coming up as often as it does, though, would it? To me, "if someone tells you they prefer singular 'they', use that" is non-controversial, just like "if someone tells you they go by 'Goldie,' use that" should be. Insisting "No, I am going to call you by the pronouns I believe are 'correct' for you" is akin to "No, your legal name is 'Marigold,' and I am going to call you 'Mary.'" Insisting that you will not, under any circumstances, call a person what they've requested you call them is -- to me -- pretty clearly being a discourteous jerk.

There are a lot of valid complaints about the way Stack Overflow moderates in general, but I don't get the impression that this particular squabble is over moderation practices -- it seems to be about upcoming changes to SO's Code of Conduct. I don't know what those changes are, so I'll reserve judgement. I am certainly hoping that it doesn't boil down to "I cannot abide being required to refer to transgender women with 'her' and 'she'," though.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

Dobbs wrote: post #268
9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well in this case biology doesn't give the question a consideration, even though the issue is not anyone, even the moderator in question, attacking anyone for being transsexual. No one even knows one gender on stackoverflow, you just assume it from name or write neutrally.

What does biology have to do with what I wrote? If someone says call me Pete and you then insist on calling them Sam, you are being a jerk. Also “write neutrally” tends to not actually be written neutrally. “Guys” being one of the common examples, it is used neutrally but inherently has a male biases. This can be frustrating to many women, trans or cis. Invisible Women has a lot in it about this problem and knock on…

Well I'm not an American or native speaker, it's rude to think we all live in the same culture and moral code too.

The other threads show that there has never been a complaint about misgendering anyone on purpose but the new CoC lays out bunch of very difficult to characterize commandments.

The biology has to do with it that no matter what we decide how to speak in society, it doesn't inherently change the fact sex has very much biological meaning and words don't change that. That is the belief consideration we give a lot of power even though we should not.

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