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Watch a swarm of flying robotic drones construct a tiny building

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Re: Watch a swarm of flying robotic drones construct a tiny building

#61
The power limitation doesn't seem very difficult to surmount, a drone could just go swap its dead battery with one from a pool of batteries on chargers, and keep working.

They'd need two batteries in a drone to do that of course, or perhaps some other robot could execute the battery swap.

Re: Watch a swarm of flying robotic drones construct a tiny building

#63
The simple matter is that the implications of these drones reaches far beyond simply building things, like showing one aspect of what a hammer can be used to build.

The real takeaway is the radical increase in the abilities of flying drones, and the raw potential they leave to be harnessed by future engineers and entrepreneurs. Those who discount their usefulness by staying within the context of the video, and not elaborating outside of that, aren't getting it. I would refer you especially to @burgerbrain's comment and the videos he posted. Specifically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvRTALJp8DM

Re: Watch a swarm of flying robotic drones construct a tiny building

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I'm going to be a pedant here - that does not look like a swarm, and they don't claim it is (in the video, at least). By "swarm" I would understand that all have the same programming and that the assembly process is emergent from simpler instructions plus exploration and feedback. Instead they appear to be programmed to act sequentially with a pre-planned set of actions. There is no feedback, no emergence. In short,…

Correct about the swarm -- indeed it's not a multiagent problem -- but perhaps a bit unfair regarding the "dumb machine" part.

This appears to be a "multi-body" problem (rather than a "multi-agent") problem: that is, there is likely one primary decision-maker which dictates the construction task ordering, likely computed via a partial-order multi-body planner. That's part 1 of the AI.

But there's another part that's equally interesting. The multi-body planner produces a series of construction steps. Each step is ordered with regard to certain steps, unordered with regard to other steps (these can be done in any order but not simultaneously), and explicitly declared parallel with yet other steps (they can be done simultaneously). The quad-roters grab the steps and perform them in parallel when possible, and at least form a queue otherwise. Last, the quad-rotors have to perform these steps without hitting one another, so there's a significant real-time multi-body path-planning problem involved.

Multi-body planning, scheduling, and plan monitoring is nontrivial and should not be so lightly dismissed.

Re: Watch a swarm of flying robotic drones construct a tiny building

#65

Great fun, but I suspect NIMBY concerns would kill any practical application. Let's imagine they get the machines scaled to the point when they could build an actual habitable structure, and that they sort the power concerns that I suspect would make it insurmountably uneconomic. Now, imagine a squad of sufficiently large and powerful helicopters buzzing away all day next to your office . How many people are going to…

So, human workers and ordinary, loud construction equipment buzzing away all day for 2 years is ok, but robot equipment - quite capable of working 24/7 and likely capable of going faster - buzzing away for 8 months, thats unacceptable? I think unions are gonna scream louder than any NIMBY concerns.

Re: Watch a swarm of flying robotic drones construct a tiny building

#66
Robotic construction will eventually take over the construction industry. Especially once robotic transportation becomes possible.

There are many complex processes being performed at construction sites. Many steps take highly optimized machines to perform robotically but that a single human can do just by changing tools.

Because of these processes, automating the entire construction process would be very expensive to do right at the site.

All parts would have be modularized so they could be snapped together. Or robots will have to be able to change tools. Or parts will have to be moved from robot to robot, with as much work being done before parts are actually brought to the site.

Either way, it will be interesting to see how it works out.

Re: Watch a swarm of flying robotic drones construct a tiny building

#67

I'm going to be a pedant here - that does not look like a swarm, and they don't claim it is (in the video, at least). By "swarm" I would understand that all have the same programming and that the assembly process is emergent from simpler instructions plus exploration and feedback. Instead they appear to be programmed to act sequentially with a pre-planned set of actions. There is no feedback, no emergence. In short,…

Correct about the swarm -- indeed it's not a multiagent problem -- but perhaps a bit unfair regarding the "dumb machine" part. This appears to be a "multi-body" problem (rather than a "multi-agent") problem: that is, there is likely one primary decision-maker which dictates the construction task ordering, likely computed via a partial-order multi-body planner. That's part 1 of the AI. But there's another part that's…

thank-you! (i'm sorry for "dismissing" the work; i do understand the amount of effort involved, but i was trying to emphasize what was not happening; thanks for the extra info on the unordered work, etc).

Re: Watch a swarm of flying robotic drones construct a tiny building

#68
This is awesome! It's sort of like a less precise large-scale 3D printer or MineCraft. I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks this is certainly the beginning of automated construction. It works for assembly lines. We may finally be getting to the point where the same process will work in more mobile volatile environments.

Re: Watch a swarm of flying robotic drones construct a tiny building

#69

36 battery changes later...

Inductive charger landing pads, a must have. Let them build forever. Just make sure the pads are plugged into a neighbors outlet ... or their Chevy Volt.

http://translogic.aolautos.com/2011/01/06/ces-2011-gm-brings...

Re: Watch a swarm of flying robotic drones construct a tiny building

#70
post #65

Great fun, but I suspect NIMBY concerns would kill any practical application. Let's imagine they get the machines scaled to the point when they could build an actual habitable structure, and that they sort the power concerns that I suspect would make it insurmountably uneconomic. Now, imagine a squad of sufficiently large and powerful helicopters buzzing away all day next to your office . How many people are going to…

So, human workers and ordinary, loud construction equipment buzzing away all day for 2 years is ok, but robot equipment - quite capable of working 24/7 and likely capable of going faster - buzzing away for 8 months, thats unacceptable? I think unions are gonna scream louder than any NIMBY concerns.

24/7 robots are fine, but helicopters are _loud_, particularly those with the lifting power to do construction work. We're currently seeing small proof-of-concept machines lifting small, light parts, but the machines needed to lift useful construction parts will need to be many times larger and heavier, and if they're going to run for any serious amount of time (as would be needed to be useful) then they either need very much bigger batteries or large fuel tanks, which again means extra weight which means more power, more noise and more energy to lift the extra weight of the energy. It's not impossible but it's a vicious, not virtuous, circle.

I relatively regularly have the local police helicopter overhead and it's definitely loud enough to keep people awake, sometimes to wake you up in the first place. A whole fleet of these withing 1/4 mile of you will be loud, noticeably louder than a usual construction crew, and I'm still concerned about the neighbours complaining about the risk of this fleet of robot helicopters crashing into each other or dropping parts. Really, I think this is a very cool tech but a mad application of it that I really can't ever see working.

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