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Post by throw0101a »

thenewnewguy wrote: post #205
sverige wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original comment had to do with whether we should trust Cloudflare more than Facebook. If they as a company want to make editorial decisions, that's fine, but the reality is that also means they are not content agnostic. Interestingly enough, they provide services for known spammers and other shady internet operations. As to whether 8chan 'caused' those abhorrent crimes, I couldn't say, any more than 'violent vid…

> The point is that they are demonstrably not exactly what they claim to be, and thus some level of distrust is warranted. Where does Cloudflare claim to be content agnostic?

> Where does Cloudflare claim to be content agnostic?

They may want to claim it, one way or the other, as part of their IPO filing so that potential investors have some idea of liability risks with the company.

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Post by acdha »

This looks like a neat idea but I’ve haven't gotten it to connect on two WiFi networks or T-Mobile LTE. The one thing which could explain that is it showing me as having 0MB of WARP+ but there’s no way I’m paying before I can test it and it seems pointless if it requires the network provider to enable it.

Re: WARP is here

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Post by Avamander »

teddyh wrote: post #229
allworknoplay wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't block requests to 8chan, they simply won't provide services to the site. If you're using cloudflare for DNS lookups, 8chan resolves just like any other non-cloudflare customer.

…until someone gets the media going about it, at which point they block it. And that time, they will have a precedent.

So far it has been tried but both registrars and DNS resolvers have resisted such censorship attempts unless it has been law enforcement and even then it has been local.

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Post by acdha »

Animats wrote: post #209

One backdoor to rule them all. They just have to be a target for NSA, the SVR, and the Third Department. How would you audit Cloudflare to find that?

The same way you audit Comcast, Verizon, Starbucks, etc. This is changing who you trust from many to a single provider but not otherwise removing the need for legal reform.

Re: WARP is here

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Post by acdha »

commoner wrote: post #80
zackbloom wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully I can! WARP uses a protocol called WireGuard to secure your Internet traffic. Your encrypted traffic flows over that protocol to the closest Cloudflare data center before it is released onto the public Internet. WARP+ takes that one step further. Rather than releasing your traffic directly onto the Internet, we use all the data we have from our Argo product [1] to route your traffic to _another_ Cloudflare…

Why should a user pay $4.99/month for Warp+ when they can pay less than that for a traditional VPN that masks their IP address? Does the performance benefit make up for the relatively weaker privacy?

For me, it’s a trust issue: it’s quite hard to evaluate VPN providers so many people might prefer to use a company with substantial visibility and other businesses at risk if they break their privacy guarantees.

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Post by rsync »

nlh wrote: post #88
the_duke wrote: post #65

I can't really see the value proposition here. Most use a VPN to add a layer of anonymity (hidden IP) and to circumvent geo blocking. All this does is hide unencrypted traffic from the local network and maybe give a moderate speedup, but one that will probably be restricted to non-Cloudflare properties. For other properties, especially high-traffic ones with their own fancy routing logic, this will probably be more d…

I'm in the (likely) target demographic for this (and just signed up for the paid version). I don't care about true anonymity or geo-blocking - what I care about is that Verizon/Comcast both do HEAVY traffic shaping to suit them, not me. I.e. I'm promised "720p" video quality on Netflix when streaming over LTE and yet, for some strange reason that goly gee I can't quite understand (/s) it's never very good and always…

I don't understand how "Warp" would help you in the long run - wouldn't we expect Verizon et. al to treat cloudflare endpoints as "suspect" or "throttle-worthy" ?

TOR endpoints are discriminated against by many endpoints and providers - why not Warp endpoints ?

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Post by rsync »

scoutt wrote: post #109

Now that Cloudflare has their own VPN, will there be an increase in showing those annoying captcha/challenge pages for connections made from every other VPN/Tor?

I think it is more appropriate to say that Cloudflare has their own TOR ...

As I ask elsewhere in this comment section, I don't see why "warp" endpoints won't be discriminated against the same way TOR endpoints are.

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Post by godelmachine »

iamd3vil wrote: post #237
godelmachine wrote: post #223

Would anyone kindly elucidate on the difference between Warp vs VPN? I recently purchased Adblock by Futuremind from AppStore, since I got really worried about my privacy. It has some features like local proxy DNS and setting up new rules. I keep my VPN on all day. Before that, I used to use Hotspot Shield since that was free. I used to get only one server viz. USA. I see internet speaks highly of NordVPN but that’s…

Don't ever user free VPNs and especially something like Hotspot Shield. You can check https://thatoneprivacysite.net/ for a comparison of VPN services. I use Mullvad VPN which supports both OpenVPN and Wireguard(which is the reason I use Mullvad) and costs 5 euros per month. You can use something like Bitcoin to pay if you want anonymity.

Thanks for opening my cautioning about HotSpot Shield.

5 euros/ month sounds expensive but does it give a bigger bang for your buck?

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Post by steveklabnik »

acdha wrote: post #242

This looks like a neat idea but I’ve haven't gotten it to connect on two WiFi networks or T-Mobile LTE. The one thing which could explain that is it showing me as having 0MB of WARP+ but there’s no way I’m paying before I can test it and it seems pointless if it requires the network provider to enable it.

You should file a bug from within the app; you don't need WARP+ to use Warp and it shouldn't require anything from your provider.

Re: WARP is here

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Post by steveklabnik »

hdivider wrote: post #238

I love it. You always have to make privacy and security tradeoffs -- and to me WARP is a promising initiative. Question: is there an OSX version? Or am I just blind? :)

Elsewhere in this thread the folks who work on this have stated that there are plans for desktop versions in the future.
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