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#211

How does the end user know if WARP is actually working? As I understand it, a regular VPN will mask your IP so you can tell very easily if you’re protected by checking your externally reported IP. How would you know with WARP?

It uses "connect on demand", at least on iOS, so iOS will block all traffic that doesn't go through the VPN (other than a few iOS services iirc).

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Don't lots of smaller hosting providers have DDoS protection? Did you try one of those and find it wasn't good enough?

No, can you link me to some of these "smaller hosting providers [that] have DDoS protection"? In fact, I can't find any matching that description.

Hetzner does. I guess it depends how much smaller is "smaller". DDoS protection I think is one of those things that demands a certain size.

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#213

It's borderline unusable for me. It takes 20 seconds for every YouTube video to load while they load instantaneous without WARP: https://streamable.com/9tp1k

YT is the only problem for me, likely something to do with YouTube trying to use gQUIC (but I'm not sure).

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#214

I'd really like to use this on my computer. The article says it uses the WireGuard protocol, can I just take the private key from my device, put it in a configuration file and use it?

They've said elsewhere[1] that they're are working on desktop apps. No time frame yet. If you can extract the endpoints, private and public keys, it might work. It would be considered unsupported and might be considered a violation of the terms of use. Check the license agreement. 1: https://community.cloudflare.com/t/warp-desktop/79072

Note that while community MVPs (FD: I'm one of them) are generally good for answers, they don't represent Cloudflare or speak for them.

That answer is correct, but official word is here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21071258

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#215

I'm confused about who sees what IP when. I'm also confused about the bandwidth limits on plus. Having essentially two products blended together, and using new technology that behaves uniquely, makes the communication lift here that much heavier.

Plus uses their priate backbone, so it costs them money to send traffic through it.

The IP discovery is currently only available for CF websites: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21070828

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#216

Exciting! We're a tiny company and have sponsored WireGuard two years in a row; you can see us on the WireGuard home page. Cloudflare is a gigantic company who just used the WireGuard design work to fork the project. Has Cloudflare given a cent to WireGuard? Why isn't their logo on the site?

And why should they? WireGuard is free† so it seems (to me) a bit futile trying to shame them on a niche site like HN and expect them to change their behavior and support the community that they draw from. Mind you, this problem is not limited to Wireguard/Cloudflare. The NTP servers, curl, libssl prior to Heartbleed, the list of important open source software in need of funding goes on. It's fighting also a basic refusal or desire to pay. When was the last time someone you know paid Redhat for CentOS or Canonical for Ubuntu on principal?

What/how can we do more to encourage corporate sponsorship (either time or money) of code that's critical to a company? There are various ways the community has tried to enable this, in different ways. Librapay and platforms like it try to make it easier (Think Patreon but less commercial). The Linux Foundation takes large corporate donations and distributes it out to a large number of projects they support. Stick a paypal email address or bitcoin address in the Readme.md as a "serverless" way to receive money.

However at the end of the day, that seems to not work. Curl is used in billions of devices but the majority of the work on it has been done by one person for 20 years.

Something is not working as we hoped.

†) specifically Open Source under the GPLv2 license ‡) https://www.linuxfoundation.org/projects/

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#217
I have a different reason for being unable to use Warp: I don't want to access a "proper" DNS server, I want a DNS server that blocks ads for me in Mobile Chrome (I am aware that ad-blocking is fully integrated w/ Mobile Safari). I currently use AdGuard to get this feature, which sets the DNS server to one that blackholes ad servers.

Still, it's quite exciting that Cloudflare's finally released Warp, and that the waitlist for Warp was so long.

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#218
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> That's clearly stretching the laws of physics, at the very least This is not clear to me. Few mobile users have pings to anywhere pushing up against the speed of light, and the bandwidth/loss/routing is not close to being limited by physics.

No, he's correct here, it's an extra indirection and so overall it can only hurt performance, not improve it. For example, ISPs often have caching servers from Google installed and Google is the biggest traffic generator. If you route traffic through somewhere else you are going to reach different Google's caching servers that are farther away and over more congested links.

In aggregate, is it necessarily an extra indirection? If, for example, your ISP bounces around a bunch getting to your destination and Cloudflare has a faster path, isn't it possible they have the faster path?

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#219

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No, he's correct here, it's an extra indirection and so overall it can only hurt performance, not improve it. For example, ISPs often have caching servers from Google installed and Google is the biggest traffic generator. If you route traffic through somewhere else you are going to reach different Google's caching servers that are farther away and over more congested links.

> No, he's correct here, it's an extra indirection and so overall it can only hurt performance, not improve it. Really? The cost of an extra hop is just one of tens (hundreds?) of factors that would determine if using WARP would be faster for a particular scenario.

That's not an extra hop, but essentially two different paths with many different hops instead of a more direct one. I'm sure there will be edge cases where this can be faster due to one of those factors, but for most destinations it will be slower.

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#220

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I’m still #700K on the Warp waitlist Edit: And the wait is over!! WARP is now available!

Nope. They put me on the waitlist again at #2.008M

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