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Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by barry-cotter » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 3:05 PM UTC

missosoup wrote: post #112

barry-cotter wrote: post #90

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They didn’t just preserve Greek and Roman knowledge. Averroes, Avicenna, the Mutazilites, al-Razi, Maimonides, al-Farabi and others made enormous and original contributions to philosophy, medicine, chemistry and other fields. The Renaissance and the Enlightenment would have been unrecognizably different without the contributions of the thinkers of the Islamic world.

Can you suggest some reading materials to those who want to know more about this?

My knowledge of this period is very shallow and mostly comes from the History of Phiosophy Without Any Gaps podcast. Lost Enlightenment is probably the best place to start.

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00F8MIJMQ/geneexpre...

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by freejulian85 » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 5:49 PM UTC

tasuki wrote: post #102

freejulian85 wrote: post #91

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China’s population is 4x that of the USA. It makes complete sense that their per capita gdp is therefore less. It should remain that way.

How is the size of population related to per-capita gdp?

Why should a country which can’t control its population growth receive more resources than one that can?

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by birdyrooster » Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 10:44 PM UTC

NonEUCitizen wrote: post #126

birdyrooster wrote: post #121

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Convenient window of time to pick.

PRC has only been around for 70 years.

I am sorry, but you mentioned countries and not government regimes so it wasn't clear at first.

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by laughinghan » Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 8:44 PM UTC

franklingu wrote: post #128

laughinghan wrote: post #77

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Why 1991? Surely such articles predate 1991. I'm not sure why you think writers at Bloomberg, a Wall Street-oriented outlet, represent average people in the US. I'm also not sure why you think anyone would want China to collapse in order to "prove democracy correct", as if to win a bet. Democracy is a means to an end. "Average people" think that in China, though many people are doing great under the current system, t…

> who are being oppressed, harassed for reading banned books, punished for criticizing party officials, put into re-education labor camps, even having their organs harvested Apparently I do not believe this is happening in China and you do. Maybe I am brainwashed by Chinese government or you are affected by all those western media. Anyway, Chinese government cares not so much about what western media says -- they hav…

I actually was careful not to say that I believe that is happening, I said that's what "average people" think.

You asked "if China is really going to collapse, what is in it for average people in the US or other countries?", and I hoped that you were genuinely interested in understanding why there are people in the West who dislike the Chinese government. Does my explanation make sense, and convince you that it's not because they want to "prove democracy correct"?

I am also interested in what you believe is and isn't happening in China and why. The organ harvesting reports are extreme and salacious, and I can see believing the Vocational Training Centers are voluntary, but the others seem obvious and undeniable? Is it not well-known in China that the government bans certain books? Or that social media posts can be taken down on the basis of being too critical of the party?

I'm not entirely sure why you bring up shock therapy. It's true that many countries failed to or suffered when they liberalized their society alongside their economies. It's also true that many countries have done it quite successfully.