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Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by birdyrooster »

NonEUCitizen wrote: post #99
Yizahi wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If huge country enters recession and crisis then, with some exceptions, it usually goes to war with its neighbors. See Russia waging war for last 20 years constantly, see Iran expanding to nearby countries to shut internal crisis. China does the same - nine dash occupation of south china sea, cold war with Taiwan, conflicts with Japan and nearly all other neighbors. If big crisis will happen in China it will cause a…

US (and UK) have been in more and longer wars than China and Russia in the past 70 years, recession or no recession. And their wars cause damage on a global rather than regional scale.

Convenient window of time to pick.

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Post by StudentStuff »

codeisawesome wrote: post #39
StudentStuff wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation for that last paragraph? All I've seen is a shrinking coal industry leaving workers unpaid for their last month on the job[1], 25% tariffs slapped on our hardware imports [2] (causing a 30% drop in our sales) and kids being killed by Customs and Border Protection [3]. None of this is good for the USA or my fellow American 1 - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/us/kentucky-coal-miners.h... 2 - https://www.for…

Wish you'd asked for a citation for the whole dang comment. It's the exact kind of "sweet tasting" vitriol that has been sending people with a certain kind of persona into a feeding frenzy in countries all over the fucking planet. This phenomenon is a testament to how susceptible our collective amygdalae are to narrative manipulation. Doesn't matter how many historical precedents are exemplified, our species falls fo…

I did not care to dig into his first two sentences, but next time you see a comment like that, please ask them for citations and dissect what they said with your own citations.

We need to deal in fact, which requires a fair bit of effort to cite and write. Call out those poisoning the comments with vitrol and insanity, a harsh light reveals their lack of grounding in fact.

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by StudentStuff »

newfriend wrote: post #53
StudentStuff wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation for that last paragraph? All I've seen is a shrinking coal industry leaving workers unpaid for their last month on the job[1], 25% tariffs slapped on our hardware imports [2] (causing a 30% drop in our sales) and kids being killed by Customs and Border Protection [3]. None of this is good for the USA or my fellow American 1 - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/us/kentucky-coal-miners.h... 2 - https://www.for…

Unchecked IP and currency abuse by China, and unfettered illegal immigration are also "not good for the USA or my fellow American." > kids being killed by Customs and Border Protection Are you actually trying to claim that CBP is deliberately killing children?

> Unchecked IP and currency abuse by China, and unfettered illegal immigration are also "not good for the USA or my fellow American."

Please cite how the USA has been negatively affected by IP abuse or China's monetary policy. It seems quite similar to our prior tangoes with Japanese cars & Taiwan's electronics imports to the USA.

At this juncture we have pushed China into economic stagnation, while slowing our own economic growth.

> unfettered illegal immigration are also "not good for the USA or my fellow American."

We're a country of immigrants, our current "legal" immigration system is only a few decades old. Prior to that it was a free for all with nearly open borders (and no passports/visas), which bolstered the US economy mightily during World War 1 & World War 2.

Open Borders is key to being open for business, our current policy is locking out millions of people that could turbocharge our economy.

> Are you actually trying to claim that CBP is deliberately killing children?

Yes, when you choose to act in a way that you know kills some children needlessly, you are killing children. God doesn't look the other way!

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Post by woodandsteel »

friendlybus wrote: post #87
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem in China is that they're likely to get old before they get rich. China's GDP per capita is still only a quarter (or less) of Japan, Singapore or South Korea: https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/china/japan

They've said that every decade since ww2. I think China will have to pay off the US for their misdeeds, but they have built a valuable step in their progress in the world. They can go explore a new social role with their influence in the south china sea and with the BRI. I would be concerned about China in the 2030s and 2040s.

A lot of those predictions were correct. The experts said the Great Leap Forward would be an utter disaster, and it was. They said the more conventional industrialization that followed would be more successful, and it was. They said the Cultural Revolution would be a disaster, and it was. When Deng switched to the free market path, the experts said it would work, and it did. And now they are saying that Xi's new semi-Maoism is going to turn out bad, and sure enough, it seems it is.

But I bet you already knew all that.

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Post by woodandsteel »

franklingu wrote: post #31

Just another article of predicting that China is going to collapse -- these kind of articles have been popping up since 1991. China is just another big country with a lot of problems. So is US. Even if China is really going to collapse, what is in it for average people in the US or other countries? To prove that the democracy you believe is correct -- even if that means nearly all the people in the world will suffer…

China collapsed at the end of the Qing dynasty. There followed civil war and conquest by Japan. And then the Communists overthrew the Nationalists. And then you had the Great Leap Forward, and the Cultural Revolution, and then switch away from Mao to a mixed economy, and finally Xi's new Maoism. The history of China for the last century has been quite unstable, and so it seems quite reasonable to assume that one of these days there is going to be some more revolution.

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Post by NonEUCitizen »

birdyrooster wrote: post #121
NonEUCitizen wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US (and UK) have been in more and longer wars than China and Russia in the past 70 years, recession or no recession. And their wars cause damage on a global rather than regional scale.

Convenient window of time to pick.

PRC has only been around for 70 years.

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Post by friendlybus »

woodandsteel wrote: post #124
friendlybus wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've said that every decade since ww2. I think China will have to pay off the US for their misdeeds, but they have built a valuable step in their progress in the world. They can go explore a new social role with their influence in the south china sea and with the BRI. I would be concerned about China in the 2030s and 2040s.

A lot of those predictions were correct. The experts said the Great Leap Forward would be an utter disaster, and it was. They said the more conventional industrialization that followed would be more successful, and it was. They said the Cultural Revolution would be a disaster, and it was. When Deng switched to the free market path, the experts said it would work, and it did. And now they are saying that Xi's new semi…

I doubt an aging population is going to free up the spratley islands and chinese military presence in the south china sea. They can now strategically threaten the oil imports for a whole bunch of SEA countries and are still growing as a military power.

If the experts are correct, can they hurry up and be correct faster because I can't wait for a prediction that has no timeframe requirements.

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Post by franklingu »

laughinghan wrote: post #77
franklingu wrote: post #31

Just another article of predicting that China is going to collapse -- these kind of articles have been popping up since 1991. China is just another big country with a lot of problems. So is US. Even if China is really going to collapse, what is in it for average people in the US or other countries? To prove that the democracy you believe is correct -- even if that means nearly all the people in the world will suffer…

Why 1991? Surely such articles predate 1991. I'm not sure why you think writers at Bloomberg, a Wall Street-oriented outlet, represent average people in the US. I'm also not sure why you think anyone would want China to collapse in order to "prove democracy correct", as if to win a bet. Democracy is a means to an end. "Average people" think that in China, though many people are doing great under the current system, t…

> who are being oppressed, harassed for reading banned books, punished for criticizing party officials, put into re-education labor camps, even having their organs harvested

Apparently I do not believe this is happening in China and you do. Maybe I am brainwashed by Chinese government or you are affected by all those western media. Anyway, Chinese government cares not so much about what western media says -- they have been saying that China is going to collapse for so many years. Instead, Chinese government on the one hand tries to solve some of the problems faced by China, on the other hand uses propaganda involving patriotism and ethnic identity to unify people within. Whether this way can work in the end is still unknown -- maybe yes, then guess fewer and fewer people will still talk about democracy is the only way to govern the world; or maybe not, then China is definitely be not better than Russia: before USSR's collapse, people are poor; after its collapse, people are still poor and only a few people benefited from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_therapy_(economics)

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Post by franklingu »

tarsinge wrote: post #80

As a French the amount of (bad) news regarding China on American websites I browse (hn, reddit, newspapers websites...) is really disturbing compared to home. I try to think rationally but the coincidence with the trade war is hard to ignore. As an outsider it looks like nothing has changed (China is a communist country, fresh news!) but suddenly the media is all over it. The media pattern now is so obvious every tim…

If things are going to be like in Iraq, then the world is basically doomed for human race. China is definitely no match for US in terms of military power. But if US is trying to ruin China like how it ruined Iraq, then I guess mostly China will choose to die together instead of just accepting the defeat.

Just think of the old war in Korea -- they will go to war with US even at that time they were not even comparable at all

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