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Re: iPadOS

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Post by simonh » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 4:37 PM UTC

luckydata wrote: post #230

simonh wrote: post #219

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Maybe they’re mostly used for that, but ‘made for that’ is just not true. Apple has consistently, right from the start marketed it as a productivity and creative device, even emphasising iWork apps in the launch presentation and releasing Garage Band for it a few months after launch. They’ve consistently highlighted creative apps for the iPad year after year. For me, my iPad is m primary creative device, by far. I wr…

Apple can say a lot of stuff, doesn't make it true.

When you wonder what something was 'made for', and the people who made it tell you why they made it, and then invest a lot of money and resources consistent with that reason, it seems bizzare to deny it.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by mistersquid » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 4:40 PM UTC

diffeomorphism wrote: post #357

mistersquid wrote: post #213

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> An iPadOS update made my iPad 1 useless and crash all the time. Do you mean mean an iOS update? iPadOS was not released until today, 24 Sep 2019.

That is a distinction without a difference. "iPadOS (then still called iOS) update".

Differences among operating systems as identified by name and version are very important.

My original specification was a small, but my response to you makes a larger point.

iPadOS did not (publicly) exist prior to yesterday. Before its release, iPadOS was definitively not “then still called iOS”. Up until its release, iPadOS did not exist (publicly).

EDIT: add preposition to first sentence.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by zepto » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 6:49 PM UTC

crooked-v wrote: post #257

0x38B wrote: post #247

I highly recommend reading the MacStories review of iOS and iPadOS 13 [1]. Thirty (!) pages. It's like the manual that Apple forgot. Case in point: you can swipe from the bottom-right corner of the screen with the Apple Pencil and it'll take a screenshot of the webpage and open it for marking up. Extensive coverage of multitasking features, as well. There's definitely a learning curve with all these possibilities - s…

> you can swipe from the bottom-right corner of the screen with the Apple Pencil and it'll take a screenshot of the webpage and open it for marking up I... but... how in the world is anyone ever supposed to know that exists???

Seems like you know it exists within one day of the release, somehow.

Joking aside, the iPad clearly has too many features for they all to be immediately discoverable. The solution to this is for the community to share knowledge, through articles like this and through word of mouth.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by privateSFacct » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 7:40 PM UTC

buildzr wrote: post #339

privateSFacct wrote: post #330

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The issue w bogus undisclosed batteries was causing problems for apples brand rep. Many of the bulging / exploding batteries were not in the end apple. The lie you are spreading, that you can’t use non apple batteries is false. The phone will work fine, but apple will let you know it can’t model the batteries health. Having the phone recognize if the battery key has changed is a simple and effective way to manage thi…

> Many of the bulging / exploding batteries were not in the end apple. This is incorrect. Apple issued a recall due to known issues with their own batteries ! These are not 3rd party replacements. https://support.apple.com/en-ca/15-inch-macbook-pro-battery-... As I pointed out there's fairly simple ways for them to resolve this without these practices. No where did I suggest that the batteries don't work at all. The…

Go ahead and describe the fairly simple solution you've come up with understanding there is a surprising amount of money out there to defeat it.

If by "brand new" battery you mean an unused battery there are actually issues there, sellers do sell "unused" batteries as "brand new" but the mfg date turns out to be really old. Technically true I guess - the battery has not been used? Would I want a 3-4 year old battery? No - who knows what SOC it has been maintained at.

What is interesting is apple's focus on "shitty anti-consumer" behavior which is "utter insanity" has resulted in a lot of consumers buying their product.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by ogre_codes » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 8:22 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #29

ogre_codes wrote: post #23

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Terminal support isn't the issue, there are a couple nice terminal apps you can get which are solid. The big problem(s) I've had are: * Lack of a common file system so you can't use multiple apps to edit/ compile source well. * Inability to build and run locally (for iOS/ local apps) * Inability to deploy locally (for example to a web server running on your machine) * No virtualization... which would solve the above…

> Lack of a common file system so you can't use multiple apps to edit/ compile source well. The Files app kinda works for this. > Inability to deploy locally (for example to a web server running on your machine) You should be able to do this.

"Kinda" meaning... not really. It works well for something like having a common place to open documents, but not very well for source code where you have a pile of related and interdependent files which you need to share among 4-5 apps. Things like Working Copy (https://workingcopyapp.com) help a bunch, but it's mostly a PITA. For example what kind of workflow would you have trying to set up to enable a typical build environment.

> You should be able to do this.

I'd love to see this. We have a fairly straight forward web development environment: Node.js + React + Typescript to build the client. The server runs on Koa and uses a MySQL database as the backend.

You think I should be able to get this going? ... I love my iPad, and I've dug around and looked for solutions and come up largely blank. Just getting the client stuff up and running using local files is... exceedingly difficult and impractical. Getting Koa + MySQL running seems like a non-starter.

This isn't some obscure stack, these are some of the most common web-dev building blocks around and it's just too much of a PITA.

I'd LOVE for this to work. So if you have some secret sauce, please share.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by ogre_codes » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 8:29 PM UTC

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #168

xienze wrote: post #157

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> Because it's not very good mouse support. It's basically a simulated finger. All I want for them to do is allow third party applications to support real mice in the way that you'd expect a real mouse to behave. The killer app would be remote desktop. I understand that there's literally one model of mouse that works with one specific remote desktop app, but I don't want that, I want to use my own mouse.

I've always thought the idea of programming on an iPad with a keyboard + mouse would be cool, but now it is very apparent that if that idea has any chance of working, it would pretty much be centered around using the iPad solely as a remote desktop tool. I would also imagine the latency that comes with that would be annoying. I wonder if Apple will ever do what Microsoft did with the surface and just put full blown M…

That's basically what the Surface is, and the vast majority of people who own them use them as laptops. At that point, why not just use a laptop?

I've done a fair amount of dev work on the iPad, if you have a good SFTP friendly editor like Coda, you can do development work on a remote server, but ultimately you are tied to that server for a build environment. It works fairly well, but since remote shells tend to disconnect in the background it can be frustrating to build stuff.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by kevindong » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 1:44 AM UTC

spiderfarmer wrote: post #258

kevindong wrote: post #243

As a bedside YouTube machine, my iPad Air 1 is absolutely fantastic at it. Web browsing stutters like no other, but the YouTube app is still very smooth despite the device's hardware being ~6 years old now. I'm happy with my purchase despite Apple cutting off iOS/iPad OS updates for my device. As a productivity device, the device is basically useless since app switching is annoyingly slow.

Once the OS updates stop, App updates follow shortly after. And once developers stop updating their apps, they become unusable over time, especially when they cannot communicate with server side API. My first iPad lasted about a year after the OS updates stopped.

Officially, per the App Store metadata, the YouTube app supports all devices on at least iOS 10 [0]. I personally intend on holding out on upgrading until YouTube is no longer supported.

[0]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/youtube-watch-listen-stream/id...

Re: iPadOS

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Post by chaboud » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 2:08 AM UTC

Infernal wrote: post #337

chaboud wrote: post #305

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I noticed that my iPad mini 2 finally falls off the list, but that thing is somewhat ancient. However, my Thinkpad X220 (maybe circa 2011?) still runs Windows 10 and Ubuntu, allowing it to stay up to date on security patches. In a way, Apple's support levels are only impressive because we're inured to quick device expiration in other contexts (e.g. phones).

To be fair, mobile development is a few years behind laptop development, and it makes sense that it would plateau later (thought with the current generation of smartphones we may be reaching that plateau). A 2011 MacBook Pro 13" is comparable to your X220 (dual core i7 available, 8GB supported RAM, Intel HD 3000 graphics) and while it does fall off the supported list for macOS Catalina (mid-2012 MBP is the earliest s…

I think it's very unlikely that older Android tablets are supported by their manufacturers.

Of the 9 tablets and 8 phones in my sock drawer purchased since 2012, only the iPad Pro 10.5", Kindle Fire HDs, and Galaxy S8 are subject to continued upgrades. The rest are likely vulnerability Petri dishes that should never be allowed on the internet unless unlocked and moved to community builds (for the Android devices).

Re: iPadOS

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Post by soup10 » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 3:42 AM UTC

ogre_codes wrote: post #263

soup10 wrote: post #86

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they are trying to hard to force gestures and touch controls, just support wireless mouses

These are different things. You should first and foremost be able to do everything on the iPad (or any touch device) with touch and/ or gestures. As soon as you require a mouse (or stylus, trackpad/ whatever) on a tablet you've screwed up. The whole beauty of a tablet is in its portability. Having to rely on a mouse or trackpad screws that up. That said, mouse support for the iPad can and absolutely should be much be…

It's nearly trivial for apple to add proper mouse support and just have apps self-identify as needing mouse or not. There's lots of things where touch controls just don't work well and it's not about "screwing up" the design its just touch controls are bad at pointing precision and there's plenty of reasons an app developer would want to support normal mouse controls. Not every app needs to be use-able on the bus.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by son_ngu » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 4:23 AM UTC

throwaway413 wrote: post #301

xpe wrote: post #261

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What do you use for (a) coding and (b) keyboard?

Here's my setup: 1) iPad Pro 256gb 11" 2) Apple keyboard case 3) Apple magic keyboard 2 w/ number pad (when I need to really get into it) 4) DigitalOcean VM instance 5) Termius ssh iOS app 6) Neovim on the VM, or sometimes I pull out VS Code via code-server [1] and exposed via #7 7) Custom domain name w/ nginx serving up my projects and services from the VM 8) AirPlay via my Apple TV to any connected displays [1] htt…

For your use, what instance size did you get for your DO instance?