is that a VPN? why did it take so long to implement as they stated multiple times?
I try to avoid Cloudflare if I have an option because they are getting too big.
WARP is here
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Although Warp doesn't mask IP addresses, it should be useful for these two use cases: 1) Communicating with insecure websites (HTTP instead of HTTPS) 2) Using unsecured wireless networks (e.g. Wi-Fi at a coffee shop) Beyond these two cases, is there any advantage to using Warp? Does Warp provide any benefits for email (secure IMAP/SMTP), file sharing (BitTorrent), or other protocols?
What's the actual vulnerability when simply using an unsecured wireless network? Sure, it's easy for them to MitM you if you're using http, but if you're only using https, what's the harm?
DNS queries and the unencrypted parts of the HTTPS protocol (like SNI without recent enhancements). So passive sniffers can at least see what sites you're visiting.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those are paid and this one is free?
Remember, if you're not the customer, you're the product. These days, even if you're the customer, you may still be part of the product for another kind of customer.
while that is true it can be meaningfully qualified.
On facebook you are the product in the sense that they sell access to your eyes.
On linkedin you are the product in the sense of aiming to the network effect (and also for ads I imagine)
If I am the product on warp in the sense that websites hosted on cloudflare are faster it is not that bad.
(it is your choice to trust them or not, but that truism just says that the profit needs to come somewhere and you should be aware of it)
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Early on in Cloudflare’s history when we were asked who our competition was we said Facebook. The concern was that the challenges of being online would get so hard that individual websites would give up and just move to run Facebook pages. We saw our role as providing the security and performance needed to compete without making you give in to use an all-consuming platform. We haven’t said that in a long time, but I…
Thank you for taking time to share your perspective. However, I remain skeptical. It's true that a website using Cloudflare is more independent than a Facebook page, in that in the former case, the company can take their domain to another provider. But my idea of an independent Web is a large number of websites depending on a large number of high-quality hosting providers. The latter number will inevitably be smaller…
I ran a small web service in the video game industry for several years, and CloudFlare was essential to our survival, as the DDoS attacks would repeat every few weeks, and at times last 6 to 12 hours at a time. CloudFlare simply ate that up, and our customers were not impacted. Today, at a different company, different industry, we use CloudFlare for similar needs, but within physical area security networks. It's essential.
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#125I was openly critical of Cloudflare when they announced Warp the first time. My accusations were over-reaching, and I ultimately retracted them. But I'm still skeptical, and I still won't use Warp. Here's what still bothers me: Cloudflare is a single company with points of presence all over the world, handling traffic for websites all over the world (including some big ones), and now trying to attract consumers world…
Early on in Cloudflare’s history when we were asked who our competition was we said Facebook. The concern was that the challenges of being online would get so hard that individual websites would give up and just move to run Facebook pages. We saw our role as providing the security and performance needed to compete without making you give in to use an all-consuming platform. We haven’t said that in a long time, but I…
Would you now consider that AWS is Cloudflare’s greatest threat?
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please be sure to file a bug report in the app if you can. Every report helps us fix issues and make WARP better.
I didn’t think it was a bug. Just too much load. Will try again in a day or so.
On the contrary, filing a bug report now can help them get it sorted out before lots of other people run into the same problem.
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#1271.1.1.1 DNS and mobile app have improved my internet experience considerably outside the US (currently in Costa Rica). I'm very excited about WARP and totally buy the "everyday user" premise.
As soon as it feels stable I'm telling my activist brother-in-law in Venezuela to install it and enable WARP. Personally I trust Cloudflare above any ISP. I see myself installing it over holidays to the rest of the family there.
I understand and celebrate HN's high level discussion about concentration of power on the internet and its effects. But at the same time I want to celebrate a geeky company, releasing something cool, with a free tier – and an evident openness about its plans and how it works. Congrats on the launch!
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
The requests come from a CloudFlare address range -- my original IP isn't visible to the server. Not sure what they mean either.
It passes on your IP address if the website you're visiting is using CF. See for yourself: https://icanhazip.com - on CF network https://ifconfig.me - not on CF network
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I agree using Cloudflare proxy (or really any VPN) gives the company a lot of power. But the idea of Cloudflare intercepting all of my traffic doesn't bother me since the alternative is simply another company (Spectrum, or my random friend's wifi, or Starbucks) intercepting all of my traffic by virtue of being my ISP. It's up to you which is the lesser of two evils. I suppose Cloudflare may have more insight into the…
I can believe that Cloudflare's current leadership are currently more conscientious than, say, Comcast's. But, especially post-IPO, what is that actually worth? I think that, worldwide, it's likely that Cloudflare is already bigger than Comcast. So, unless I'm given evidence to the contrary, I think Comcast is the lesser evil.
I'm consistently amazed at how many people [on HN...] over-estimate the size/scale of Cloudflare.
Comcast is a huge, multi-billion $ operation with global contracts and broadcasting capabilities, and > 184,000 employees globally (that's more than Google, and even MSFT).
That's not to say that we shouldn't be wary of Cloudflare for many other reasons; but that they have more influence over the Internet than one of the world's largest consumer & corporate ISPs is definitely "a take".
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Great eye! We haven't figured out how to expose them yet for sites not using Cloudflare. We do have some experience solving this problem for Spectrum [1] we're hoping to lean on. The most important thing to us is users don't expect us to keep their IP private, as that is not the intent of WARP. 1- https://blog.cloudflare.com/mmproxy-creative-way-of-preservi...
Although Warp doesn't mask IP addresses, it should be useful for these two use cases: 1) Communicating with insecure websites (HTTP instead of HTTPS) 2) Using unsecured wireless networks (e.g. Wi-Fi at a coffee shop) Beyond these two cases, is there any advantage to using Warp? Does Warp provide any benefits for email (secure IMAP/SMTP), file sharing (BitTorrent), or other protocols?
You forgot your ISP, some collect and resell your activity online