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Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by neuronic »

benj111 wrote: post #436
solatic wrote: post #398

FTA: > As opposed to social media or GPS tracking apps, Schaeffer said the Apple Watch fall-detection feature offers extra reassurance by not relying on a person to alert first responders. We're early enough in the adoption cycle that this is an undeniable benefit. Obviously, if nobody else is around, then it's life-saving. But I do worry about the long-term ethics. What if, when such watches become common, it become…

"We're early enough in the adoption cycle that this is an undeniable benefit" Until someone gets fined for an ambulance being called on their behalf, because they dropped their watch on the floor...

There are countries where people don't get fined for calling an ambulance due to personal financial damage. Even though misuse happens, it's minuscule compared to the benefit of general healthcare and not having to pay thousands of dollars for getting critical help.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by simonh »

benj111 wrote: post #436
solatic wrote: post #398

FTA: > As opposed to social media or GPS tracking apps, Schaeffer said the Apple Watch fall-detection feature offers extra reassurance by not relying on a person to alert first responders. We're early enough in the adoption cycle that this is an undeniable benefit. Obviously, if nobody else is around, then it's life-saving. But I do worry about the long-term ethics. What if, when such watches become common, it become…

"We're early enough in the adoption cycle that this is an undeniable benefit" Until someone gets fined for an ambulance being called on their behalf, because they dropped their watch on the floor...

The watch would know it wasn't attached to a person.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by systemtest »

I agree that in this particular use case it was beneficial to wear an Apple Watch. But never ever wear a watch on your motorcycle. The force and impact can mess up your wrist in a crash. If you land on the watch it can push the case into your wrist potentially breaking it. Or hook behind something. If you do insist on a watch, wear a motorcycle jacket and long gloves over it.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by kokx »

Jataman606 wrote: post #405
daliusd wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is nothing new to worry about. Bystander effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect ) was relevant before Apple Watch.

There was a study recently that basically debunked this theory. It was done by tracking real incidents through cameras in big cities in Europe. Long story short, the more people were there the more likely that someone offers help.

In Europe, in a lot of countries there are programs such as the dutch BHV (BedrijfsHulpVerlener) program. Basically: companies need to have some people on staff with a basic first aid and fire evacuation training.

I have done this, and it has helped in mitigating the bystander effect. It means that there is a relatively large amount of people in the population that know what to do when accidents occur. IMO this makes bystanders who have done such programs to help, since they know how valuable time is in a lot of these situations.

Since I have done this training, whenever there is an accident on the streets and I am nearby, I will go help because I know what to do. And am therefor more likely to take initiative.

So I wouldn't immediately say this discount would be correct. It could also mean that some mitigation against the bystander effect is working.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by inimino »

solatic wrote: post #398

FTA: > As opposed to social media or GPS tracking apps, Schaeffer said the Apple Watch fall-detection feature offers extra reassurance by not relying on a person to alert first responders. We're early enough in the adoption cycle that this is an undeniable benefit. Obviously, if nobody else is around, then it's life-saving. But I do worry about the long-term ethics. What if, when such watches become common, it become…

It's good to look out for adverse side effects, but let's not jump to full-on post-100% deployment dystopias when we are still talking about a product < 1% of global population can even afford.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by ryacko »

simonh wrote: post #442
benj111 wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We're early enough in the adoption cycle that this is an undeniable benefit" Until someone gets fined for an ambulance being called on their behalf, because they dropped their watch on the floor...

The watch would know it wasn't attached to a person.

https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/116748896404077772...

No it would not.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by invalidusernam3 »

Jataman606 wrote: post #405
daliusd wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is nothing new to worry about. Bystander effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect ) was relevant before Apple Watch.

There was a study recently that basically debunked this theory. It was done by tracking real incidents through cameras in big cities in Europe. Long story short, the more people were there the more likely that someone offers help.

A lot of countries in Europe have Duty to rescue laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue):

"circumstance in which a party can be held liable for failing to come to the rescue of another party who could face potential injury or death without being rescued"

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by inimino »

jessaustin wrote: post #119
saagarjha wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, it's better to have a false positive diagnosis than a false negative.

Why is that? IANAPhysician, but this seems like a fairly rare malady in this age group. Do we really want all of these people rushing to the hospital? If no one trusts the Apple Watch's diagnosis, how useful could it be?

You're unlikely to get rushed to the hospital due to your watch asking you if you're OK while you're consciously engaged in strenuous activity. It's a sign, not a diagnosis.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by DecoPerson »

djrogers wrote: post #340
DecoPerson wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too, though it was probably an SMS, not a call. US emergency services accept text messages. The article says: "His watch messaged emergency medical services at 12:02 p.m., and an ambulance was there within a minute." Though this seems to be contradicted by the previous paragraph: "His Apple Watch had called 911 through the fall-detection feature, which sends out an alert if the wearer is immobile for 60 seconds af…

> Me too, though it was probably an SMS, not a call. US emergency services accept text messages. Point of clarification - US Emergency services can accept text messages. Currently it's only available in certain areas, and it's up to each local ESD/911 call center to implement it if they choose. And yes - the apple watch does call 911.

Thank you for clarifying. I didn't think of the potential consequences of my statement

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by haoshuji »

neuronic wrote: post #437
solatic wrote: post #398

FTA: > As opposed to social media or GPS tracking apps, Schaeffer said the Apple Watch fall-detection feature offers extra reassurance by not relying on a person to alert first responders. We're early enough in the adoption cycle that this is an undeniable benefit. Obviously, if nobody else is around, then it's life-saving. But I do worry about the long-term ethics. What if, when such watches become common, it become…

People are already refusing to call 911 or the equivalent in other countries and the reasons are manifold. For one, liability is a concern, a socially trained lack of empathy (e.g. Han Chinese), or the bystander effect.

Do you have statistical results to support your bias to say Han Chinese are lack of empathy, or just based on some news which is a small ratio by comparing with the large population?
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