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Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by jansan »

thibran wrote: post #81
sunseb wrote: post #15

Just a quick question: why Greta is not talking about world overpopulation? I think it's a huge problem. The more we are on this planet, the more mess we make. And by the way, it's too easy to shame western countries to be the root of all evil in this world.

> ... not talking about world overpopulation? Because its not an issue any more. The world wide population is stabilizing. Most countries of the earth will face a population collapse in the next 30 years.

Sorry, this is bullshit. Even the UN estimates slowing growth for the next 80 years, but not a "collapse" or anything near that. And historically growth projections have been to low, so there is a fair chance the world population will continue to grow substantially for the next 100 years.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by jansan »

Miner49er wrote: post #42
sunseb wrote: post #15

Just a quick question: why Greta is not talking about world overpopulation? I think it's a huge problem. The more we are on this planet, the more mess we make. And by the way, it's too easy to shame western countries to be the root of all evil in this world.

It's certainly possible to keep population growing at the rate it is and still end global warming. Is it harder? Sure. But it's possible. More people is more labor to fix things. The labor just needs to be used correctly, and consumption needs to be reduced and changed. Talking about overpopulation and "shaming Western countries" sounds a bit like a Trojan horse for some racist policies, considering that population i…

The labor just needs to be used correctly, and consumption needs to be reduced and changed.

IMHO the opposite is happening. Former developing countries are raising their living standards dramatically, which inevitably results in a larger economic footprint per capita. Also, migration to developed countries usually increases the living standard of the migrants, but this also increases their economic footprint. I just do not see where consumption is being reduced.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by kalado »

fromthestart wrote: post #19
Tepix wrote: post #5

It's interesting to see how some factions are now claiming that Greta is merely a puppet, following some hidden power's agenda. That's obviously nonsense. Listen to her! All she asks is that the politicians listen to the scientists.

>It's interesting to see how some factions are now claiming that Greta is merely a puppet, following some hidden power's agenda Please. She's a 16 year old child with no evidence of any particularly exemplary understanding of climate change or its impact on the world. She clearly has support from people with deep pockets, and the fact that they've chosen an approximately average child to deliver this message shows th…

"I don't think adults should allow themselves to be shamed by children into making decisions"

She might be right but I am older so it doesn't matter. /s

The truth is that you don't need any exemplary understanding or expertise to understand that if 99% of the scientific population in the whole world are screaming about climate change, backed by literally decades of research, you might just accept that, instead of living in your barricaded fragile ego because children are smarter than you.

Also, support from people with deep pockets? All institutions with deep pockets lose money by reducing their emissions. That is the most illogical backwards conspiracy i've ever heard.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by [deleted] »

Tepix wrote: post #2

I had the same reaction when the German government revealed their insufficient measures as part of the "Klimapaket" (climate pact) last Friday. Scientists are recommending a tax of 180€ per ton of CO2 to achieve the necessary reduction in emissions. The German coalition government decides to introduce a 10€ CO2 tax. How dare they ?

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Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by tomhoward »

wrnr wrote: post #20

There was a post on HN a week ago that was agreeing with some statements Greta made about climate change, it has flagged and removed. I don't always agree with everything she says but found little objectionable about the article. Strange that it was taken down, it seems like HN does not respect any opinion unless it was mined by a block of cryptocurrency enthusiasts.

Cryptocurrency topics routinely get mocked, flagged or ignored here. Very rarely does one get serious attention.

"HN" is a diverse community that represents a distribution of points of view.

When controversial topics get flagged, it's often not because people disagree with the opinion expressed, but rather that people expect the discussion will be of low quality - i.e., a flamewar dominated by a small number of ideological zealots, in which the loudest participants just stick to their preconceived point of view, and nobody really learns anything new.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by serf »

monkeynotes wrote: post #27
sunseb wrote: post #15

Just a quick question: why Greta is not talking about world overpopulation? I think it's a huge problem. The more we are on this planet, the more mess we make. And by the way, it's too easy to shame western countries to be the root of all evil in this world.

Probably because the subject attacks the fundamental instinct to procreate. How do you tell a couple that they legally can't have children? Many of my friends define their lives around having a family, it gives people a deep, and rewarding purpose.

>Many of my friends define their lives around having a family, it gives people a deep, and rewarding purpose.

Speaking as bluntly as I can here : if you want to have kids to gain a 'deep and rewarding purpose' because you somehow feel lacking in purpose, please don't have children.

It's analogous to a teenager that joins the military out of high school because "they don't know what they want to do.".

Figure things out, then make a decision. Don't make some big brash decision in order to figure things out. The only 'depth' that might added to your life may actually just be unenjoyable complexity and nuance.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by serf »

Debugreality wrote: post #86
Mikeb85 wrote: post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

Nobody coerced her. She is autistic in a way that makes her unable to ignore the truth. Without the same filters of ignorance and denial that most of us have she is suffering more than most people. I think we are all suffering somewhat trying to deal with this truth and work out how to find our place in the solution.

>Nobody coerced her. She is autistic in a way that makes her unable to ignore the truth.

does being autistic in that manner (your diagnosis, not mine) also give oneself free access to the worlds' media outlets and financial support to trot the globe at 16 years old, or could that be one of the so-called coercers'?

I'm absolutely against climate change, and on her side of the opinion, but to ignore the fact that she's being propped up as a media object is silly. Could you have had her impact at 16 without support from others? I bet not, unless you're really extraordinary.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by sifar »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

Your first statement makes sense. I don't agree with the rest though.

>> Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maximum was fairly recent, only ~20k years ago. Climate change has happened and will happen. And the world won't end. Either the Earth's systems will adapt, or we'll find a technological solution. Or maybe everyone will simply move to Canada, Russia, Greenland and Antarctica

There is a limit to the rate at which the ecological systems can cope up with the damage we are doing. We have no right to go on abusing the Earth's systems just because humans can save themselves using technology.

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