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Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

#81
post #15

Just a quick question: why Greta is not talking about world overpopulation? I think it's a huge problem. The more we are on this planet, the more mess we make. And by the way, it's too easy to shame western countries to be the root of all evil in this world.

> ... not talking about world overpopulation?

Because its not an issue any more. The world wide population is stabilizing. Most countries of the earth will face a population collapse in the next 30 years.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

#82
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we're going the totalitarian route, why not designate kids and force them to grow up to be scientists. Make them work for minimal wage on what are today billion dollar R&D, all for finding a solution to the so-called crisis? After all, human procreation is a naturally occuring event and it is the failure of science to produce a solution for the consequences and politicians - to adopt it.

> After all, human procreation is a naturally occuring event and it is the failure of science to produce a solution for the consequences and politicians - to adopt it. Yes, the solution is to stop thinking of procreation as a naturally occurring event and to instead limit each person to 1 living offspring (so each couple can produce 2 children). By the way, science doesn't provide solutions (that's engineering). Scie…

First: I question that you have the authority to "limit" people in this way.

Second: How do you propose to enforce your limitation?

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

#83

Was her message to (failing to) act imply actual technical steps and commitment to reduce certain variables in certain years or increase taxes? I am confused here. sarcasm And yes, of course, global warming is the biggest existential threat to humanity. Poverty, hunger, addiction, homelessness, open defecation, and other trivial issues aren't really the ones Governments' should prioritize, it should be protecting hum…

Poverty, hunger, addiction, homelessness, etc, are all bad, but they are bad on an individual level, with secondary negative societal effects.

Global warming is an existential threat to modern civilization. If we allow it to continue unchecked, it will result in catastrophic changes in prevailing weather patterns, sea level, and animal and plant life. These might not be enough to wipe out all human life on the planet—we might very well even be able to recover from it, eventually—but it is likely to create enough instability worldwide to cause many major governments to topple.

Now, again, this is if we let it go completely unchecked, and none of this is stuff that would happen within a year or two. But we're already seeing some of the effects, and there's nothing to suggest we won't see the rest if we just shrug our shoulders and say, "Eh, there are other important things, too."

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

#84
post #2

I had the same reaction when the German government revealed their insufficient measures as part of the "Klimapaket" (climate pact) last Friday. Scientists are recommending a tax of 180€ per ton of CO2 to achieve the necessary reduction in emissions. The German coalition government decides to introduce a 10€ CO2 tax. How dare they ?

This doesn't apply to regular citizens, right?

I can’t tell if this is /s or not but carbon taxes fall on the end user to the extent of elasticity of demand and relative cost of alternatives.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

#85
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's interesting to see how some factions are now claiming that Greta is merely a puppet, following some hidden power's agenda Please. She's a 16 year old child with no evidence of any particularly exemplary understanding of climate change or its impact on the world. She clearly has support from people with deep pockets, and the fact that they've chosen an approximately average child to deliver this message shows th…

Oh no, a 16-year-old child with a basic understanding of climate change. This must be the work of the fucking Freemasons!

Regular or irregular?

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

#86
post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

Nobody coerced her. She is autistic in a way that makes her unable to ignore the truth. Without the same filters of ignorance and denial that most of us have she is suffering more than most people.

I think we are all suffering somewhat trying to deal with this truth and work out how to find our place in the solution.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

#87
post #2

I had the same reaction when the German government revealed their insufficient measures as part of the "Klimapaket" (climate pact) last Friday. Scientists are recommending a tax of 180€ per ton of CO2 to achieve the necessary reduction in emissions. The German coalition government decides to introduce a 10€ CO2 tax. How dare they ?

How dare the Germans shut down multiple perfectly fine nuclear plants, so they have to burn brown coal instead?

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

#88
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. Do you have a list of names?

> Malena Ernman and actor Svante Thunberg ... her "fame-seeking", "stage-parents", particularly her "fading opera starlet mother" who performed internationally, were "pimp(ing) her out" without regard for Thunberg's alleged mental problems, which included Lowe's long list of disabilities, by which Greta and her sister were claimed to be handicapped. By so doing, Lowe wrote, they were subjecting her to "child abuse."[…

Yea I've been aware of this for a while, and it's odd how no one brings this up. It's very clear she's from an extremely privileged background with ardent, political parents. The idea that "this is just a concerned child" is far from reality.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

#89
post #5

It's interesting to see how some factions are now claiming that Greta is merely a puppet, following some hidden power's agenda. That's obviously nonsense. Listen to her! All she asks is that the politicians listen to the scientists.

>It's interesting to see how some factions are now claiming that Greta is merely a puppet, following some hidden power's agenda Please. She's a 16 year old child with no evidence of any particularly exemplary understanding of climate change or its impact on the world. She clearly has support from people with deep pockets, and the fact that they've chosen an approximately average child to deliver this message shows th…

If what you're saying is true, isn't it crazier that no major media outlet is stating who her backers are?

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

#90
post #5

It's interesting to see how some factions are now claiming that Greta is merely a puppet, following some hidden power's agenda. That's obviously nonsense. Listen to her! All she asks is that the politicians listen to the scientists.

>It's interesting to see how some factions are now claiming that Greta is merely a puppet, following some hidden power's agenda Please. She's a 16 year old child with no evidence of any particularly exemplary understanding of climate change or its impact on the world. She clearly has support from people with deep pockets, and the fact that they've chosen an approximately average child to deliver this message shows th…

Most of the times, the ones with the fundamental understanding are the most sensible. KISS principle - Keep it simple, stupid!
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