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WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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I had concerns earlier this year when I interviewed at WeWork—which was the worst interview experience I’ve ever had. I applied for a data science role. The first two hours of the on-site were painful—they seemed to be asking questions tailored to be outside my experience. The third interviewer came into the room and said, “I, uh, just looked at your resume and I have to ask, why do you want to be a backend engineer?…

WeWork is basically a real estate company. Why would they need a data science engineer?

I had a remarkably intense series of frontend... ish interviews for a really difficult to define project. As in, I was working very hard in the little 5 minute slices of time I got for "do you have any questions" figuring out just wtf the job was and what the team was doing, and nobody could really explain it.

It was some sort of "connectivity and identification team" working to identify people/customers/tenants/whatever. Something like, you'd walk in, and WeWork would know it was you, and like, turn your office lights on or some shit. It was going to start off with keycards and I remember someone talking about bluetooth or wifi recognizing your phone, eventually doing face recognition.

I couldn't figure out the point. A HUGE team. The questions I was being asked were wild system design questions and android app stuff (what? I'm frontend lol). All so that people's desks would be at a certain height or whatever when they came in the room.

Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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I get the impression that SoftBank learned the wrong lesson from Uber. While Uber also raised billions of dollars and had a CEO get forced out by investors, it was broadly understood that his sin was creating a toxic/sexist culture. It wasn't related to business fundamentals, per se. WeWork's sins were less of rampant sexism, and more closely related to an unreasonable valuation and a business that wasn't prepared fo…

> it was broadly understood that his sin was creating a toxic/sexist culture

Excluding the sexism, the toxic parts go hand-in-hand with the mindset Uber needed to ignore incumbents and regulations. The only reason Uber was successful was because of that attitude. Where it failed was growing up.

Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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wow! that was quick. surprising to say the least. these kind of people tend to be driven by ego, so this must have hurt. looks like he'll still be chairman though.

My assumption has been he will step aside, wait for an inevitable restructuring post IPO markdown (and blame the markdown on his being pushed out) then swoop in and take the credit for getting it back on track

Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Data allows people to make more informed decisions. You don’t need to be a tech company to benefit from a data science department.

You do need data, though. And if you don't have a lot of customers, or a lot of skus, or a lot of transactions -- you probably don't have a lot of data.

I assume we work spends tens of millions on marketing that could benefit from optimizations through data science.

Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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post #158

As with Theranos, I told you early on it was a scam. If there's one thing a grouch knows well, it's how to spot trash.

Totally different scam than Theranos. WeWork is a cult (like Apple), and has a poor business model, but it at least works. It just doesn't generate enough money, like with the Texas shale oil boom. Everybody thinks it's great, but it's not, they are loosing money and no turnaround in sight. Theranos never worked.

It's a different sort of scam for sure - I should have made clear that I was basing this on my read of the star CEO rather than the business.

I have a similar enough personality type to such folks that they're easy for me to spot. Rather than taking claims in good faith and doing extensive due diligence to assess their business-worthiness, if I read someone as a fake (an almost purely intuitive thing) and then look at their project with that working assumptions, the holes in their pitch are magnified into yawning chasms.

It's not perfect, of course. I've been taken in by other sociopaths several times, but in personal or employment contexts where it was a 1:1 relationship. I'm not money-oriented so sociopathic entrepreneurs stand out like a sore thumb because I don't have any feeling of excitement about an investment opportunity to get in the way. It's like being able to spot a good or bad athlete in a sport you don't play, if that makes sense.

Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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And what about the buildings he leases to We? Or what about his wife?

I'm interested about the buildings. A lot of people bullish on WeWork say -- "Oh, they'll just walk away from the leases. Each lease is owned by a different subsidiary. That subsidiary will just file bankruptcy. Problem solved. They'll just cut the losers, and turn up the dial on the profitable buildings." Adam got a $750M loan from WeWork, right? I'm assuming he used that loan to secure more loans to buy the buildin…

>"Oh, they'll just walk away from the leases. Each lease is owned by a different subsidiary. That subsidiary will just file bankruptcy. Problem solved. They'll just cut the losers, and turn up the dial on the profitable buildings."

"Each lease is owned by a different subsidiary" doesn't help you that much against the lessors, they'll either charge you more or demand signed guarantees from the parent corporation. Counter-parties are not idiots, generally speaking. There's no free lunch here.

How the structure helps is by protecting against other creditors that may arise out of operating the physical business in a way that may inadvertently generate legal liability. Since this is a real estate business, I'll go with a classic example - there's a spill on the floor, someone slips and falls and sues the people running the building. This litigant can generally only collect from any insurance policy and the subsidiary running the building - in order to go after WeWork's assets, they'd have to convince a court to pierce the corporate veil, and that's significantly more difficult.

Re: WeWork’s Adam Neumann Steps Down as CEO

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post #146

Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21062260 @dang

"How I Built This Episode WeWork: Miguel McKelvey" (June 19, 2017)

Host: Do you think all of this could just collapse one day?

McKelvey: You know it's a great question. One of the things we're holding onto very tightly is the feeling that we're still figuring it out every day... We'll have that learning curve forever which is what make it awesome.

I guess "awesome" is one way of putting it.

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