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Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by lazyasciiart »

rolltiide wrote: post #20

Is there any merit to the idea that health workers can help people and their family with being prepared for the suicide? I think we spend too much effort on avoidance without acknowledging that people come to a conclusion of ending their life for multiple reasons, and people aren't really falling for the prevention. Did the underlying irreconcilable problem get solved? No? Okay imma head out. Does the person have to…

If you aren't familiar with the topic, I think you would find discussions around euthanasia interesting - a lot of it centers on when suicide is an acceptable individual choice.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by rolltiide »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #51
rolltiide wrote: post #20

Is there any merit to the idea that health workers can help people and their family with being prepared for the suicide? I think we spend too much effort on avoidance without acknowledging that people come to a conclusion of ending their life for multiple reasons, and people aren't really falling for the prevention. Did the underlying irreconcilable problem get solved? No? Okay imma head out. Does the person have to…

If you aren't familiar with the topic, I think you would find discussions around euthanasia interesting - a lot of it centers on when suicide is an acceptable individual choice.

Yes I do find those discussions interesting

I was actually scared the first time I went to Switzerland because I was wondering if that was a low key way to off someone

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by thanatropism »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #32
ColanR wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how you put "prevent tyranny" in quotes, like it's not believable.

It's not. The idea that a rag-tag group of citizens with a stockpile of AR-15s could challenge "tyranny" by fighting a modern US military is laughable.

There's challenging by force (against an organization who has nukes and drones and all that sweet stuff), and challenging by legitimacy.

E.g. imagine Hawaii seceding from the US. Does it take equal military might?

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by wallace_f »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #17
antibland wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More heartbreaking would be if the pets of these suicide owners die of starvation over a period of terrifying, lonely days. It's more heartwarming, if anything, that a person who wishes to end their suffering still holds empathy and respect for the living.

People who feel their lives are so terrible it isn't worth going on are usually not monsters. It's usually someone else in their lives that is a monster. They usually just have too many problems, not enough support and have spent too many years wrestling with it without resolution. If they were monsters, they would probably be planning someone else's death, not their own. It seems all too common that people around th…

Where can adults living with this kind of thing, like extreme bullying or psychopathy, get help moving on to better their lives?

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by DoreenMichele »

wallace_f wrote: post #54
DoreenMichele wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who feel their lives are so terrible it isn't worth going on are usually not monsters. It's usually someone else in their lives that is a monster. They usually just have too many problems, not enough support and have spent too many years wrestling with it without resolution. If they were monsters, they would probably be planning someone else's death, not their own. It seems all too common that people around th…

Where can adults living with this kind of thing, like extreme bullying or psychopathy, get help moving on to better their lives?

I do what I can to share useful information. In addition to to speaking out on HN, I blog about things like homelessness and LGBTQ issues.

If you wish, I could direct you to some of my writing. Beyond that, I don't personally know. "The System" tends to not have good answers.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by wallace_f »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #55
wallace_f wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where can adults living with this kind of thing, like extreme bullying or psychopathy, get help moving on to better their lives?

I do what I can to share useful information. In addition to to speaking out on HN, I blog about things like homelessness and LGBTQ issues. If you wish, I could direct you to some of my writing. Beyond that, I don't personally know. "The System" tends to not have good answers.

Personally, if anyone cares, the most important thing someone like me needs eyes on them to keep accountability against abuse. Basically I need help defending my right to peace, civil rights.

Empowerment, opportunity come second, I think.

I don't know much about the system. I'm not interested or in-need of explicit welfare or handouts, and everything else was a massive waste of time.

Hate and abuse, tyranny, bullying, whatever you call it I think can happen to anyone, or any group, but it usually happens to people who were weak, or who experienced it before. Once it happens more than once you become such a target for opportunists, and pariah for everyone else who is "just following their self-interest."

I honestly don't even know what the best thing to do is.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by GarrisonPrime »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #32
ColanR wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how you put "prevent tyranny" in quotes, like it's not believable.

It's not. The idea that a rag-tag group of citizens with a stockpile of AR-15s could challenge "tyranny" by fighting a modern US military is laughable.

And yet, the idea is that they should be allowed the opportunity.

If a government is unilaterally in complete control of all people at all times, full stop, then there isn't any real freedom, is there? You'd just be subecting all of society to the whim of whoever had enough money and/or guns aleady to have taken power.

But this is no place to have that discussion. Besides which, most people who express the opinion you have are not interested in contemplating any other perpsective any way.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by MagnumPIG »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #17
antibland wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More heartbreaking would be if the pets of these suicide owners die of starvation over a period of terrifying, lonely days. It's more heartwarming, if anything, that a person who wishes to end their suffering still holds empathy and respect for the living.

People who feel their lives are so terrible it isn't worth going on are usually not monsters. It's usually someone else in their lives that is a monster. They usually just have too many problems, not enough support and have spent too many years wrestling with it without resolution. If they were monsters, they would probably be planning someone else's death, not their own. It seems all too common that people around th…

The gist of what you're saying is correct, but we must be careful with words such as "monster". There may not be anyone in their life causing their suffering, it's actually often the opposite, there is simply no one to turn to.

I also personally tend to avoid the word "usually" because being suicidal is not overwhelmingly associated with any specific situation. All kinds of people can have suicidal thoughts, and having them is not a sign that you're a good or bad person.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by [deleted] »

wallace_f wrote: post #56
DoreenMichele wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do what I can to share useful information. In addition to to speaking out on HN, I blog about things like homelessness and LGBTQ issues. If you wish, I could direct you to some of my writing. Beyond that, I don't personally know. "The System" tends to not have good answers.

Personally, if anyone cares, the most important thing someone like me needs eyes on them to keep accountability against abuse. Basically I need help defending my right to peace, civil rights. Empowerment, opportunity come second, I think. I don't know much about the system. I'm not interested or in-need of explicit welfare or handouts, and everything else was a massive waste of time. Hate and abuse, tyranny, bullying…

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Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by a3n »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #29
TruckingThrow wrote: post #25

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An uncle of mine blew his brains out a couple of years ago after a decade of struggling with mental health issues. I used to get so enraged at him for abandoning his family in that way. For some reason, your post really brought home to me that maybe what he was seeking was a way out, that he couldn't live with what the person he had become was putting his family through and that maybe he did it because to him that wa…

Our current world mostly doesn't have effective solutions for mental health issues. Given that fact, it's easy to feel like death is the only possible escape. I know a few things that can be helpful, though it's still a hard row to hoe. But saying I know anything useful often just gets me called crazy by internet strangers -- just more evidence that our own personal hells are all too often compounded by other people.…

> Our current world mostly doesn't have effective solutions for mental health issues.

Well, help is here! Cigna recently emailed me that they have an algorithm backed app, and a game, precisely to help keep my mental health tuned up.

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