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Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by michaelsbradley »

exabrial wrote: post #7

I have a friend that is a death investigator. She's an extraordinary person, kind, humble, and reliable. I try not to pry but what she does tell ranges between truly sad and humorous beyond belief. It's a career that is totally necessary but few can handle.

Indeed. I have a friend who spent several years in forensic medicine before settling on trauma surgery as a final career path. The stories that come from his forensic medicine years prompt emotional reactions (in most? in me!) that range from the deepest sadness to astonished/horrified amusement. I can't comprehend how he did/does it day-to-day!

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Post by umvi »

majos wrote: post #12

One point about suicide prevention that I think deserves a little more mention: people who survive an attempt typically do not ever commit suicide [1]. Lifetime survival rates range across studies, but they hover around 90%. Of course, 10% is much higher than the general population rate for lifetime suicide completion rate, which is more like 0.01%, and things are complicated by severity of attempt (you’re more likel…

I've said it before, but really, assault rifles and bump stocks and what not are the complete wrong thing to focus on. Long guns kill practically _nobody_ compared to handguns.

It's the best compromise ever: ban handguns, keep long guns fully legal. 2nd amendment supporters wanting to "prevent tyranny" and hunters still have their long guns, homicides and suicides (which comprise the overwhelming majority of gun deaths and are committed overwhelmingly with handguns) drop significantly.

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majos wrote: post #12

One point about suicide prevention that I think deserves a little more mention: people who survive an attempt typically do not ever commit suicide [1]. Lifetime survival rates range across studies, but they hover around 90%. Of course, 10% is much higher than the general population rate for lifetime suicide completion rate, which is more like 0.01%, and things are complicated by severity of attempt (you’re more likel…

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Post by tempsy »

Tech Lead from YouTube just published this about the FB employee suicide last week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbEQriZEfoI

Posting because, if allegations are true, it only reinforces my belief that our white collar workplaces have become highly mentally taxing and employees need judgement-free resources provided by employers to deal with them.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by TruckingThrow »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #17
antibland wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More heartbreaking would be if the pets of these suicide owners die of starvation over a period of terrifying, lonely days. It's more heartwarming, if anything, that a person who wishes to end their suffering still holds empathy and respect for the living.

People who feel their lives are so terrible it isn't worth going on are usually not monsters. It's usually someone else in their lives that is a monster. They usually just have too many problems, not enough support and have spent too many years wrestling with it without resolution. If they were monsters, they would probably be planning someone else's death, not their own. It seems all too common that people around th…

An uncle of mine blew his brains out a couple of years ago after a decade of struggling with mental health issues. I used to get so enraged at him for abandoning his family in that way.

For some reason, your post really brought home to me that maybe what he was seeking was a way out, that he couldn't live with what the person he had become was putting his family through and that maybe he did it because to him that was better for them than sticking around.

Helping me understand that event probably wasn't your intent, but thank you for sharing this, because I think you succeeded.

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Post by nradov »

tempsy wrote: post #24

Tech Lead from YouTube just published this about the FB employee suicide last week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbEQriZEfoI Posting because, if allegations are true, it only reinforces my belief that our white collar workplaces have become highly mentally taxing and employees need judgement-free resources provided by employers to deal with them.

The majority of large employers provide Employee Assistance Programs where employees (and family members) can talk to a judgment-free therapist for at least a few sessions. Those therapists are trained in suicide risk, and will report to the authorities if a patient seems likely to attempt suicide soon.

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Post by nradov »

rolltiide wrote: post #20

Is there any merit to the idea that health workers can help people and their family with being prepared for the suicide? I think we spend too much effort on avoidance without acknowledging that people come to a conclusion of ending their life for multiple reasons, and people aren't really falling for the prevention. Did the underlying irreconcilable problem get solved? No? Okay imma head out. Does the person have to…

Most suicides are impulsive acts rather than the conclusion of irreconcilable problems.

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Post by klyrs »

killjoywashere wrote: post #16
antibland wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More heartbreaking would be if the pets of these suicide owners die of starvation over a period of terrifying, lonely days. It's more heartwarming, if anything, that a person who wishes to end their suffering still holds empathy and respect for the living.

The pets won't die of starvation. They tend to eat their former owners. Cats especially seem to go for the face. Source: am pathologist.

Can confirm, a partner of mine has a kitty with a lil bit of face-eating in her past.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by DoreenMichele »

TruckingThrow wrote: post #25
DoreenMichele wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who feel their lives are so terrible it isn't worth going on are usually not monsters. It's usually someone else in their lives that is a monster. They usually just have too many problems, not enough support and have spent too many years wrestling with it without resolution. If they were monsters, they would probably be planning someone else's death, not their own. It seems all too common that people around th…

An uncle of mine blew his brains out a couple of years ago after a decade of struggling with mental health issues. I used to get so enraged at him for abandoning his family in that way. For some reason, your post really brought home to me that maybe what he was seeking was a way out, that he couldn't live with what the person he had become was putting his family through and that maybe he did it because to him that wa…

Our current world mostly doesn't have effective solutions for mental health issues. Given that fact, it's easy to feel like death is the only possible escape.

I know a few things that can be helpful, though it's still a hard row to hoe. But saying I know anything useful often just gets me called crazy by internet strangers -- just more evidence that our own personal hells are all too often compounded by other people.

I hope you can make your peace.

Re: Suicide Data Reveal New Intervention Spots, Such as Motels and Animal Shelters

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Post by ColanR »

umvi wrote: post #22
majos wrote: post #12

One point about suicide prevention that I think deserves a little more mention: people who survive an attempt typically do not ever commit suicide [1]. Lifetime survival rates range across studies, but they hover around 90%. Of course, 10% is much higher than the general population rate for lifetime suicide completion rate, which is more like 0.01%, and things are complicated by severity of attempt (you’re more likel…

I've said it before, but really, assault rifles and bump stocks and what not are the complete wrong thing to focus on. Long guns kill practically _nobody_ compared to handguns. It's the best compromise ever: ban handguns, keep long guns fully legal. 2nd amendment supporters wanting to "prevent tyranny" and hunters still have their long guns, homicides and suicides (which comprise the overwhelming majority of gun deat…

I like how you put "prevent tyranny" in quotes, like it's not believable.
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