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Snap Detailed Facebook’s Aggressive Tactics in ‘Project Voldemort’ Dossier

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I think FAANG is less useful as an abbreviation these days because it includes Netflix. I don’t think Netflix is guilty of much of anything sinister, at least by anyone’s reckoning except certain movie and tv studio executives.

While that’s a good point, if the alternative is going around and using the acronym FAAG I think we can stick with the original.

GAFA?

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g-mafia google, microsoft, apple, facebook, ibm, apple

But IBM isn’t that powerful in any direct way any more compared to other tech companies. Oracle and rising powers like PayPal and Salesforce would make more sense. The latter companies still do a fraction of IBM’s revenue and profit. but they’re growing. I wouldn’t be surprised if their market caps are past IBM by now. Unless IBM is being included because of the Red Hat acquisition.

Looks like they are included because their name starts with an I.

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> The DOJ antitrust people and the FTC got a lot of their teeth knocked out when they went after Microsoft in the 1990s. How do you mean? Microsoft got throughly declawed in the 90s, and never regained their top predator status.

I think Microsoft got off relatively easily compared to AT&T and Standard Oil, but I was in the camp hoping they'd be forcibly partitioned so that the applications business was separate from the OS business, both of which were separate from Microsoft's hardware operations (which consisted mainly of peripherals, because they hadn't gotten into the game console business yet).

I was too.

But at least all their scuzzy business practices were put to light, and they weren't able to behave that way anymore.

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Why is this thread full of commentators attacking Snap for completely unrelated things? Strikes me as odd. FB told IG influencers they might lose their verified status if they link to a SC profile? Seems like that was a mistake on their part, could they really not anticipate future antitrust action?

IMO, it's because Evan Spiegel and Snap by extension is just as cutthroat and unlikable as Mark Zuckerburg and based on what I've read about it I feel like he would be doing the exact same things as FB is if the roles we reversed. This doesn't feel like some altruistic, whistle-blowing gesture for the good of the consumer. This feels like Snap being pissy that there is a bigger bully on the playground. I'm not saying…

You don't necessarily need sympathy to see what's right and wrong.

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> For example, when Mr. Zuckerberg met with the founders of startups, including Evan Spiegel, chief executive of Snap, and Dennis Crowley, co-founder of Foursquare Inc., he presented them with two scenarios: either they accept the price he was offering for their companies, or face Facebook’s efforts to copy their products and make operating more difficult, according to people familiar with the conversations. In both…

I don’t see the problem with this. Isn’t it fair market competition? Facebook had (and has) deeper pockets and more users, so they won against Snap and Foursquare. Their acquisition of IG and WA were great moves too, it’s almost impossible to escape the Facebook and Google internet.

Fair market competition is not possible if one actor is in a monopoly position.

And I am curious to read what economic theory says about competition over a free product. I mean, I understand their revenues come from advertisers, but they are trying to get users, for free, like if it were a market competition. I wonder how much this model holds water in that case.

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> For example, when Mr. Zuckerberg met with the founders of startups, including Evan Spiegel, chief executive of Snap, and Dennis Crowley, co-founder of Foursquare Inc., he presented them with two scenarios: either they accept the price he was offering for their companies, or face Facebook’s efforts to copy their products and make operating more difficult, according to people familiar with the conversations. In both…

I don’t see the problem with this. Isn’t it fair market competition? Facebook had (and has) deeper pockets and more users, so they won against Snap and Foursquare. Their acquisition of IG and WA were great moves too, it’s almost impossible to escape the Facebook and Google internet.

Fair market competition is dead. It has been for a long time. Companies use every trick in the book to gain advantage, ethics be damned. Fair market competition was the first casualty of Neoliberalism when companies took greed is good to their heart and focused only on increasing shareholder wealth. Ayn Rand must be spinning in her grave now.

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Does anyone else have trouble getting upset about these kind of stories? I can believe anti-competitive behavior is happening, but we're talking about snapchat stories and Instagram trends. It's not like they are a phone company raising prices on their customers or a railroad squeezing shippers. I get why this could be bad for a competitive marketplace, but does this hurt the consumer? What are the net downsides of t…

Whatsapp, Instagram, Oculus, ... do you want all companies to be under three main tech companies?

What would the three be? Alphabet is obviously one. Microsoft does far more mid sized and big acquisitions than Facebook. Even Amazon does more known or consumer facing company acquisitions (Ring, PillPack, Souq (big If you’re in the Middle East countries it’s big in) in last few years)) than Facebook.

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post #95

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> The DOJ antitrust people and the FTC got a lot of their teeth knocked out when they went after Microsoft in the 1990s. How do you mean? Microsoft got throughly declawed in the 90s, and never regained their top predator status.

I think Microsoft got off relatively easily compared to AT&T and Standard Oil, but I was in the camp hoping they'd be forcibly partitioned so that the applications business was separate from the OS business, both of which were separate from Microsoft's hardware operations (which consisted mainly of peripherals, because they hadn't gotten into the game console business yet).

For all we know Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon would all be much more powerful if Microsoft got split up. And maybe throw in a few other companies like Oracle.

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Seems like a problem with your camera hardware and/or software. An unprivileged, user-space app should not be able to soft-brick a hardware part.

My phone is a Nexus 5X. All I know is that the old Snapchat app would occasionally soft-brick my camera such that no other application (including the camera app) could use it until I rebooted my phone. I confirmed with multiple experiments that Snapchat was the culprit. After the redesign, the problem went away.

I recall that in Android if an app doesn't release control of the camera then no other app can access it until the phone is rebooted. I suspect this is what was happening here. AFAIK, it isn't a bug with the phone hardware etc. just poor os design. Hopefully they'll fix it one day.

Ref: 'Release the Camera - After using the camera, your application must properly release it for use by other applications.'

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post #17

Why is this thread full of commentators attacking Snap for completely unrelated things? Strikes me as odd. FB told IG influencers they might lose their verified status if they link to a SC profile? Seems like that was a mistake on their part, could they really not anticipate future antitrust action?

This is definitely not-nice behavior but is common. On an iOS App Store listing you can't even say the word Android, etc.

Are you saying that it's OK because it's common, or that the DOJ should be doing even more than it is? Or something else?
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