Snap Detailed Facebook’s Aggressive Tactics in ‘Project Voldemort’ Dossier • Hacker News Board

Re: Snap Detailed Facebook’s Aggressive Tactics in ‘Project Voldemort’ Dossier

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Post by hizanberg » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 2:38 PM UTC

dymk wrote: post #4

H8crilA wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really relevant for the antitrust investigation.

The article is about Facebook copying features and draws a connection to Snaps subsequent downfall. I’m claiming the downfall was inevitable (no product, bad redesign, those useless spectacles), and once again Facebook is the scapegoat in all this.

Snap’s not a bankrupt Startup without product, they’re still a 23.5B company with growing market share and features Facebook has been copying hand over fist, that would be arguably be worth a lot more if FB had to come up with their own features instead of Xeroxing Snaps ideas.

Re: Snap Detailed Facebook’s Aggressive Tactics in ‘Project Voldemort’ Dossier

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Post by lhball » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 2:40 PM UTC

nova22033 wrote: post #5

>the belief that Facebook was preventing Snap’s most popular content from trending on Instagram >Snap executives noted their belief that Instagram was blocking searches of these Snap-related terms Real solid data driven analysis here.. >Facebook’s tactics have long engendered concern across Silicon Valley, said Paul Keable, chief strategy officer at Ashley Madison. The dating site, which caters to married people seek…

I don't understand what editor allowed the A.M. section to remain in the article. Felt like an afterthought.

They built up the 'Voldemort' file but then barely referred back to it.

Would have preferred they wait to publish when the had the report in hand or could at least quote directly from it.

Re: Snap Detailed Facebook’s Aggressive Tactics in ‘Project Voldemort’ Dossier

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Post by rolltiide » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 2:44 PM UTC

dymk wrote: post #9

hellomyguys wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize both of these things can be true? Snap playing a role in their issues and Facebook also participating in behaviors that are relevant to an anti-trust investigation?

I’m looking forward to the proof coming from the company that was unable to succeed because of their own ability to execute.

Try compartmentalizing

Everyone and everything is multifaceted

Re: Snap Detailed Facebook’s Aggressive Tactics in ‘Project Voldemort’ Dossier

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Post by nyolfen » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 2:45 PM UTC

GhettoMaestro wrote: post #8

nova22033 wrote: post #5

>the belief that Facebook was preventing Snap’s most popular content from trending on Instagram >Snap executives noted their belief that Instagram was blocking searches of these Snap-related terms Real solid data driven analysis here.. >Facebook’s tactics have long engendered concern across Silicon Valley, said Paul Keable, chief strategy officer at Ashley Madison. The dating site, which caters to married people seek…

Lol, the same Ashley Madison who screwed over their entire user-base by failing to secure their database. Please Ashley Madison, lecture us more about unethical behavior.

it was not only that, it was revealed they ran bots to chat with users to convince them they had a shot with beautiful women that made up the bulk of user activity iirc. no sympathy obviously but it was a total scam

Re: Snap Detailed Facebook’s Aggressive Tactics in ‘Project Voldemort’ Dossier

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 2:50 PM UTC

nova22033 wrote: post #5

>the belief that Facebook was preventing Snap’s most popular content from trending on Instagram >Snap executives noted their belief that Instagram was blocking searches of these Snap-related terms Real solid data driven analysis here.. >Facebook’s tactics have long engendered concern across Silicon Valley, said Paul Keable, chief strategy officer at Ashley Madison. The dating site, which caters to married people seek…

> Yes, Ashley Madison, the "dating" site.

Not sure why you seem to be implying that the article is using a euphemism, as literally the next phrase in that sentence is "which caters to married people seeking affairs".

Re: Snap Detailed Facebook’s Aggressive Tactics in ‘Project Voldemort’ Dossier

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Post by NN88 » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 2:52 PM UTC

I still don't see the problem here. None of these sites actually make or sell anything besides maybe an ad-platform.

Any cachet they have is based on social viability or popularity... i.e. waning psychological value, not intrinsic hard tangibility

Re: Snap Detailed Facebook’s Aggressive Tactics in ‘Project Voldemort’ Dossier

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Post by MiroF » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 2:53 PM UTC

Why is this thread full of commentators attacking Snap for completely unrelated things? Strikes me as odd.

FB told IG influencers they might lose their verified status if they link to a SC profile? Seems like that was a mistake on their part, could they really not anticipate future antitrust action?

Re: Snap Detailed Facebook’s Aggressive Tactics in ‘Project Voldemort’ Dossier

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Post by srbby » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 3:05 PM UTC

umvi wrote: post #7

dymk wrote: post #2

Snap can blame Facebook all they want, but what they had was a feature , not a product, and then they alienated their users with the redesign. Nobody else is to blame for their own stagnation then failing to reimagine their product. I mean, Snap Spectacles, really?

Actually, I'm super, super grateful they redesigned the Android app from the ground up. Before the redesign it was a disaster that would occasionally soft-brick my camera, mandating a reboot.

Seems like a problem with your camera hardware and/or software. An unprivileged, user-space app should not be able to soft-brick a hardware part.

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Post by umvi » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 3:13 PM UTC

srbby wrote: post #18

umvi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I'm super, super grateful they redesigned the Android app from the ground up. Before the redesign it was a disaster that would occasionally soft-brick my camera, mandating a reboot.

Seems like a problem with your camera hardware and/or software. An unprivileged, user-space app should not be able to soft-brick a hardware part.

My phone is a Nexus 5X. All I know is that the old Snapchat app would occasionally soft-brick my camera such that no other application (including the camera app) could use it until I rebooted my phone. I confirmed with multiple experiments that Snapchat was the culprit. After the redesign, the problem went away.

Re: Snap Detailed Facebook’s Aggressive Tactics in ‘Project Voldemort’ Dossier

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Post by disgruntledphd2 » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 3:17 PM UTC

nova22033 wrote: post #5

>the belief that Facebook was preventing Snap’s most popular content from trending on Instagram >Snap executives noted their belief that Instagram was blocking searches of these Snap-related terms Real solid data driven analysis here.. >Facebook’s tactics have long engendered concern across Silicon Valley, said Paul Keable, chief strategy officer at Ashley Madison. The dating site, which caters to married people seek…

So, my understanding is that FB blocks all dating apps except a bunch of white-listed partners. This goes back to 2013, and was driven (AFAIK) by user feedback (people hate dating ads, who knew?). The compromise was that dating ads could only be shown to people who reported their status as single, which clearly wouldn't work for Ashley Madison.