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Why Are Some Societies More Entrepreneurial than Others?

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Re: Why Are Some Societies More Entrepreneurial than Others?

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It's just a culture thing. My neighbors are Lebanese, almost everyone in the family either owns a store, or works for one of the other people in their store. Only a few of them have 9 to 5 jobs not related to the family.

They help each other out, you can use my van to pick things up, you can use the corner of my store to start your own store, etc.

Re: Why Are Some Societies More Entrepreneurial than Others?

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post #32

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Investment climate is also important. Perhaps in Europe, people are less inclined to borrow large sums of money?

That’s also conditioned by how hard it is to escape debt. In my country if you can’t pay back what you owe you turn into an indentured servant for life. No matter where you hide and what job you pick, the state will come and take most of your pay leaving you with just enough to get by.

If you own a store or restaurant, you might not make any money but at least your family won't starve.

Re: Why Are Some Societies More Entrepreneurial than Others?

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post #47

In the last few years I had the chance to live in Amsterdam, Buenos Aires, Perth, Sofia and Tel Aviv From all of those cities Amsterdam and Tel Aviv a lot more innovative and the number of entrepreneurs was high (at least felt like it) I think that there are few criterions that a city need to have to become a tech hub - Relatively small city - Society who worship startups and entrepreneurs - Many Programmers and engi…

IDF is a great Israel’s advantage. This high quality manpower is not only highly qualified, but also understands hierarchy and is not afraid to take responsibility when needed. The same is valid for Switzerland and their mandatory military service. University cannot replace army.

I don't understand the down votes (maybe they are anti-Israel?). Heck, I'm pretty libertarian but see the value in a mandatory military service. There's many lessons to be learned in an environment like that including how to effectively work together, take initiative as well as the lifelong relationships you create.

Re: Why Are Some Societies More Entrepreneurial than Others?

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It's about a balance in stability. Look at state capitals in the US as compared to commercial cities as an example. In general, big populations of people with high security (ie. .gov workers) and contractors to the same equal stable, but boring places.

You a word.

Re: Why Are Some Societies More Entrepreneurial than Others?

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It's just a culture thing. My neighbors are Lebanese, almost everyone in the family either owns a store, or works for one of the other people in their store. Only a few of them have 9 to 5 jobs not related to the family. They help each other out, you can use my van to pick things up, you can use the corner of my store to start your own store, etc.

My wife is Chinese and Chinese people are the same way. Families treat resources in a much more communal way than my UK family, but also outside the family networking and personal social bonds are crucial to getting things done and finding new business opportunities.

I suspect this is how it is across most of the world though. If you can't rely on 'society' and particularly the government or legal system, you find ways to rely on each other instead. In the 'developed world' those social bonding muscles have atrophied away.

Re: Why Are Some Societies More Entrepreneurial than Others?

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post #24

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Interesting! Anecdotally I'm an Israeli who moved to Europe (first Austria then Germany) and at least from my layman's perspective both of these countries seem both a lot less entrepreneurial than Israel and a lot less corrupt... So I wonder if something unusual is going on or if one or more of my perceptions are wrong.

Typically, in a corrupt country, the 'take' of corrupt institutions and actors critically diminishes available (finite) Capital and distorts the distribution of what remains. What is unusual is that Israel is the recipient of largess of the American tax payers and enjoys continual replenishment of available Capital. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Nope. Almost all US aid is in the form of military equipment, and , incidentally, 75% must be spent on US-made armaments. So it's more like aid to the US military-industrial complex.

Re: Why Are Some Societies More Entrepreneurial than Others?

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Nations developed different set of laws. Nations with simpler laws make it simpler to take risk. To run business means take risk, but you will never win if you have state as your enemy.

I say this from experience, was living in both over bureaucratised country with such complex regulations that even bureaucrats could not follow. In such country your business relies on mood/honesty of public servant who handles you. I was also living in the country where I have not heard from state for 7 years while I was running my business there. I was paying my fair share of taxes and state was not throwing roadblocks under my legs.

After a bit of thinking I'd also stress out how important juridical system is. If you have to wait 10 years for ruling you will be definitely more risk averse.

Re: Why Are Some Societies More Entrepreneurial than Others?

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post #58
post #54

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Are there any failed nations without a relatively recent (<100 years) history of economic or political exploitation by a contemporary superpower?

A more helpful way to look at it is how countries like South Korea, Vietnam, and Japan grew so rapidly in the 20th century despite active intervention by superpowers. South Korea in 1960 was poorer than Congo, Ivory Coast, Senegal, etc. About the same as Bangladesh. Today South Korea is as rich as France.

One might say because as opposed to despite?

Re: Why Are Some Societies More Entrepreneurial than Others?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting! Anecdotally I'm an Israeli who moved to Europe (first Austria then Germany) and at least from my layman's perspective both of these countries seem both a lot less entrepreneurial than Israel and a lot less corrupt... So I wonder if something unusual is going on or if one or more of my perceptions are wrong.

Typically, in a corrupt country, the 'take' of corrupt institutions and actors critically diminishes available (finite) Capital and distorts the distribution of what remains. What is unusual is that Israel is the recipient of largess of the American tax payers and enjoys continual replenishment of available Capital. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Iraq gets about the same nowadays. The US also provides $1.2bn aid to Egypt and recently committed to providing a total of $6bn to Jordan through 2022. So yes Israel gets a decent slice, but it's only incrementally more than other individual nations in the region. It's a lot smaller than overall US military and development aid to the other nations across the middle east.

Re: Why Are Some Societies More Entrepreneurial than Others?

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post #14

There's a good book on this called "Why Nations Fail," [1] they posit that extractive economic policies (corrupted governments) essentially de-incentivize entrepreneurial businesses, while inclusive policies cause them to thrive. They use this argument to counter "Guns, Germs, and Steel" [2] to explain dramatic economic differences across country borders in similar environments. [1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/sho…

Well if those are the two measures then this paper would be wrong. 5 out of the top 10 most entrepreneurial countries according to this paper is in Sub Saharan Africa where government corruption is very high and there the inclusive policies are hit or miss...mostly miss while the US is number 46 on the list. As someone that has worked in both regions, the USA is waaaay easier to do business than Sub Saharan Africa but I have seen first hand that there is more entrepreneurship in sub-Saharan Africa than the US. I feel the people just do not expect the government to provide anything, so they just do it themselves. Most people have two jobs. One for the Govt or a Cooperation and they have their own on the side
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