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Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by ping_pong »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #14
mieseratte wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Republicans play to suppress minority voters. What are they doing to suppress minorities?

They want to require people to show government-issued photo IDs when voting to prove they have the right to vote.

I'm a progressive liberal, but I believe this is hogwash. Many countries have a government issued national card for citizens. It's not a huge deal. Activists have made it seem like it's a way to suppress voters but I think that's largely BS.

We could start a campaign now, or just after the next election in 2020, and get people to sign up for cards by 2028, and enforce that then. We have census every 10 years, it's something the country can easily coordinate.

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by SamReidHughes »

oscar_wong67 wrote: post #29
RandomInteger4 wrote: post #21

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So basically they're not trying to suppress minority voters?

Poor people don't have IDs because they don't drive and don't have driver's licenses, and they don't have the work flexibility or the luxury to go to the DMV, afaik

And they definitely don't buy alcohol.

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by harryh »

propter_hoc wrote: post #49
nostromo wrote: post #28

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> without our opt-in You do opt-in when you sign credit agreements and the like. Since all creditors require it your options are to opt-in to credit reporting or opt-out of borrowing.

Right, that's what I'm saying should be legislated to be optional. I don't think citizens should be forced to make that choice. Frankly, I think it might even be best to forbid a third party from collecting a borrower's personal information as a condition of a lender providing a personal financial product. I will in advance disagree with the objection that this would make it impossible for the lending industry to ope…

demographic

I don't think it's a good idea to go back to the bad old days before credit reporting where whether you could get a loan or not was based on your demographics (color of your skin) rather than on the objective criterion in a credit report.

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by wastman »

egdod wrote: post #66

Sounds a lot like the creepy Black Mirror shit China is doing.

Companies like Equifax are already selling your credit data and handling it irresponsibly. I'd rather have my credit data be held by the government than the idiots at Equifax.

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by [deleted] »

Swenrekcah wrote: post #59
sverige wrote: post #52

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Actually, no, it isn't. Many conservative organizations were targeted by the IRS under the previous administration. https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-...

Is it possible that it was due to warranted concerns that these groups were misusing the tax-exempt status?

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Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by crooked-v »

ping_pong wrote: post #71
TallGuyShort wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They want to require people to show government-issued photo IDs when voting to prove they have the right to vote.

I'm a progressive liberal, but I believe this is hogwash. Many countries have a government issued national card for citizens. It's not a huge deal. Activists have made it seem like it's a way to suppress voters but I think that's largely BS. We could start a campaign now, or just after the next election in 2020, and get people to sign up for cards by 2028, and enforce that then. We have census every 10 years, it's so…

Republicans also conveniently oppose national ID cards and programs to provide hassle-free state IDs.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

sverige wrote: post #70
Swenrekcah wrote: post #59

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Is it possible that it was due to warranted concerns that these groups were misusing the tax-exempt status?

It seems possible until you realize that the IRS publicly apologized for targeting them and paid a settlement to 427 of the organizations. Four hundred twenty-seven is far beyond any random accident or mistake.

No, I mean sure, if you think a conservative administration settling with conservative groups is a valid admission of guilt, go for it! But for many of us, it just seems like Trump trying to define truth unilaterally to pander to his base. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

Spoiler: both liberal and conservative groups were subject to extra scrutiny via keyword triggers, but only conservative groups got a settlement for whatever reason only Trump knows. Trump was smart enough not to let it go to court (lest any facts get argued for real).

Re: Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with public credit registry

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Post by bananocurrency »

ping_pong wrote: post #71
TallGuyShort wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They want to require people to show government-issued photo IDs when voting to prove they have the right to vote.

I'm a progressive liberal, but I believe this is hogwash. Many countries have a government issued national card for citizens. It's not a huge deal. Activists have made it seem like it's a way to suppress voters but I think that's largely BS. We could start a campaign now, or just after the next election in 2020, and get people to sign up for cards by 2028, and enforce that then. We have census every 10 years, it's so…

>I'm a progressive liberal, but I believe this is hogwash. Many countries have a government issued national card for citizens. It's not a huge deal. Activists have made it seem like it's a way to suppress voters but I think that's largely BS.

Have you tried educating yourself on the matter? For "some" reason, there are large swaths of land where people have to travel 25+ miles and pay with their already taxed income just for the displeasure of standing in line at the DMV/etc.

Tell me how much of a priority this is to someone who might not be able to drive their own car, or take time out of their job for.

I don't understand why someone would front their statement with "I'm a progressive liberal" while remaining intentionally obtuse, unless they're arguing in bad faith to begin with.

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Post by kayaeb »

Retric wrote: post #48
kayaeb wrote: post #42

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What are better suggestions to prevent voter fraud? We know from history that voting fraud is a thing, in the 1800s it was known that political parties would pay fresh immigrants to vote (like the scene in Upton Sinclaire's "The Jungle"), or to even kidnap people and force them into voting [1]. So we can't rely on good faith. I'm under the impression that to vote you must register in a voting district, surely that re…

The common solution when little documentation exists is to apply ink at voting booths. Something that comes off in a few days, but otherwise bonds to the top layer of people’s skin. That’s plenty for one person one vote. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_ink As to having non residents vote, vastly more eligible voters don’t vote than people ineligible to vote. Honestly, as much hoopla as this gets it’s clear f…

A paranoid individual might claim that this ink could be tampered with or replaced with washable ink.

Can the same argument not be made for requiring voter IDs? youeseh I'm replying to says it's "few numbers" adding up. Another thread from sverige in this tree links vox and nyt saying that requiring ID has small numbers effect of turnout. So saying that their concern of voter fraud is a small numbers thing kind of lacks heft as an argument.

If these are both the case, then why not go with the requirement (and possibly make the requirement "easier" by issuing IDs at the same time/place) so there's no possibility of contesting the election results with regard to this particular issue?

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Post by markdown »

dariusm5 wrote: post #39
TallGuyShort wrote: post #14

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They want to require people to show government-issued photo IDs when voting to prove they have the right to vote.

I'm surprised there's nothing like that in the US already. Here in Mexico, the national ID is a voter ID card (IFE) and is carried by everyone.

In Fiji we don't have a national ID but we can normally use one of either a voter ID card, drivers license, or tax ID card.
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