Seth Vargo works now at Google Cloud. Will he break it next? Is Google Cloud a risk for our company?
Is your company engaged in running or supporting the operation of concentration camps?
Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE
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Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mr. Godwin would like a word: https://web.archive.org/web/20170814022147/https://m.faceboo... https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/12/14/...
I don't think you can retroactively change the meaning of a point you made decades earlier.
Get back to me in a quarter century.
Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
False on both counts.
I really don't see how, could you elaborate?
Many of the internees were in fact citizens.
Internment was not voluntary.
Succumbing to bad advice and popular opinion, President Roosevelt signed an executive order in February 1942 ordering the RELOCATION of all Americans of Japanese ancestry to CONCENTRATION CAMPS in the interior of the United States.
http://www.ushistory.org/us/51e.asp
From EO9066 itself:
by virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, and Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy, I hereby authorize and direct the Secretary of War, and the Military Commanders whom he may from time to time designate, whenever he or any designated Commander deems such action necessary or desirable, to prescribe military areas in such places and of such extent as he or the appropriate Military Commander may determine, from which any or all persons may be excluded, and with respect to which, the right of any person to enter, remain in, or leave shall be subject to whatever restrictions the Secretary of War or the appropriate Military Commander may impose in his discretion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066
Also cited here, which adds:
Nearly 70,000 of the evacuees were American citizens. The government made no charges against them, nor could they appeal their incarceration. All lost personal liberties; most lost homes and property as well. Although several Japanese Americans challenged the government’s actions in court cases, the Supreme Court upheld their legality. Nisei were nevertheless encouraged to serve in the armed forces, and some were also drafted. Altogether, more than 30,000 Japanese Americans served with distinction during World War II in segregated units.
Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE
#104Seth Vargo works now at Google Cloud. Will he break it next? Is Google Cloud a risk for our company?
Is your company engaged in running or supporting the operation of concentration camps?
Seth's move impacted Chef's customers.
Google Cloud may have contracts with ICE. So Seth may want to do something against Google and therefore impact us indirectly.
Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really don't see how, could you elaborate?
Many of the internees were in fact citizens. Internment was not voluntary. Succumbing to bad advice and popular opinion, President Roosevelt signed an executive order in February 1942 ordering the RELOCATION of all Americans of Japanese ancestry to CONCENTRATION CAMPS in the interior of the United States. http://www.ushistory.org/us/51e.asp From EO9066 itself: by virtue of the authority vested in me as President of t…
You read his comment backwards.
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#106I’m genuinely curious - what is the government supposed to do with illegal immigrants before they’re sent back home (after asylum hearing). Are they supposed to be put up in apartments? Barracks? House per family? I’ve heard that people disagree with the immigrants current treatment, but I expect there’s a spectrum of accommodations which people would consider acceptable. I haven’t considered the logistics and legali…
What typically happened in the past is that most migrants have family in the US. So they let them into the country while they’re being processed. They are given a court date and can continue to live life here until that court date.
What probably happens often is that these folks don’t show up to their court date, because they never planned to. By then they’ve already assimilated into the local economy with no papers.
Some middle ground seems in order here. So yeah I’d say we don’t separate the families and find other ways to track them, either keeping them in a refugee camp (together) if the numbers are hard to manage, OR using some kind of technology to track them while you release them until their court dates.
The key here is that we are a civilized nation of laws, and it is simply cruel to separate families, especially when the kids have done nothing wrong but tag along with their parents. They’re given essentially a life sentence through trauma that they may never shake. And that’s just cruel and unusual punishment in any circumstance, let alone given to an innocent sort of accomplice.
Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think you can retroactively change the meaning of a point you made decades earlier.
Get back to me in a quarter century.
Fair enough -- and if I claim that my statement doesn't actually apply to specific future circumstances in a way that supports my current personal beliefs feel free to ignore me.
Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many of the internees were in fact citizens. Internment was not voluntary. Succumbing to bad advice and popular opinion, President Roosevelt signed an executive order in February 1942 ordering the RELOCATION of all Americans of Japanese ancestry to CONCENTRATION CAMPS in the interior of the United States. http://www.ushistory.org/us/51e.asp From EO9066 itself: by virtue of the authority vested in me as President of t…
You read his comment backwards.
Apparently. The phrasing is not straightforward.
My apologies.
Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE
#109https://github.com/sethvargo/chef-sugar
If my Infrastructure code includes only chef recipes and chef objects, will this yank lead to breaking changes(even though we don't use chef sugar)
Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
but they might be harder. Which is the point. Private people can resist abhorrent policies by putting up roadblocks or at least not making it easier
If anything, this sort of thing makes it worse for the immigrants awaiting asylum hearings: if it's harder to keep track of who's there, it's harder to process them. There was a company whose employees walked out when they found out they were making beds for ICE detainment facilities... resulting in fewer beds for detainees.
Bullshit. If ICE really wanted beds for their detainees they’d have gone somewhere else.
In a way, it’s a baby step about making life really hard for ICE such that they have capacities for less detainees while we wait for a sane president who isn’t xenophobic.
Akin to how cloudflare kicked off sites who condoned violence and hate from their services. Sure they can go someowhere else, but their life gets harder eventually to the point that they’re more naked in news and no one wants to work with them or associated with them and they eventually shutdown.