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The Essential Tool for Hong Kong Protesters? An Umbrella

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Re: The Essential Tool for Hong Kong Protesters? An Umbrella

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Following the Be water thinking, ppl start to have no specific items or clothes to represent themselves now. So the essential tool would be the determination to live in this city with courage, hope, dignity and helping each other in a crisis created by no one but the government. This government has lost all its credibility within a hundred day, which is impressive in a way I guess? I don’t think HK will be totally re…

>...and the scar will always be there. Will it? I think over time, people will forget. When the British colonized Hong Kong, they were especially brutal to the protestors. During the protests in the late 1960s, the British controlled police killed over 50 protesters. Yet today, the protesters are wishing for the British to intervene.

It’s worth noting that after the 1960s protests, Britain made laissez-faire policy official and economic growth skyrocketed, creating lasting social changes that were beneficial for boosting living standards.

To win the hearts and minds of Hong Kongers, Beijing needs to either give people the power to dismantle an economy strangled by property tycoons (e.g. electing a chief executive with actual power) or do it itself, and neither is permissible. China will never let a territory it controls have unfettered universal suffrage, and the mainland itself is turning into the conglomerate/tycoon economy that now restricts Hong Kong. Which is a great deal of irony for a party that started riots over working conditions in the 1960s.

Re: The Essential Tool for Hong Kong Protesters? An Umbrella

#42

Terrible GDPR page - not clear if you’re answering “yes” or “no” Why do websites insist on the most terrible custom designs? What’s wrong with “input type=checkbox”?

The "not clear if you’re answering “yes” or “no”" part is the entire point of the deliberately poor design. See https://www.darkpatterns.org/ for more examples

I love that video. It was a great little example video about dark patterns .. and then we get to the end and it’s got a freaking NordVPN ad (not ad network, but actually spoken). Hahahahahahahahahaha.

Re: The Essential Tool for Hong Kong Protesters? An Umbrella

#43

Following the Be water thinking, ppl start to have no specific items or clothes to represent themselves now. So the essential tool would be the determination to live in this city with courage, hope, dignity and helping each other in a crisis created by no one but the government. This government has lost all its credibility within a hundred day, which is impressive in a way I guess? I don’t think HK will be totally re…

>...and the scar will always be there. Will it? I think over time, people will forget. When the British colonized Hong Kong, they were especially brutal to the protestors. During the protests in the late 1960s, the British controlled police killed over 50 protesters. Yet today, the protesters are wishing for the British to intervene.

One thing I learnt from playing walking dead - the game is that citizen will remember your decision.

New york time has the 1967 riot covered by interviewing a old lady in her 90s. And I think she mentioned a good point, is that power leads to corruption. So in general, how democracy work, how tools like tech like Telegram may lead to a leader-less way of governence, is quite interesting.

https://cn.nytimes.com/china/20190920/hongkong-north-point-1... (not sure if english version is available)

Re: The Essential Tool for Hong Kong Protesters? An Umbrella

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post #33

Are there any interesting startups specifically focused on protest technology?

Not protest-tech per se, but Alphabet's Jigsaw [0] has an impressive collection of opensource tools they themselves built.

And the usual suspects (a few are not startups): the guardianproject [1], lantern-vpn [2], the tor-project [3], freedom-box [4], matrix [5], GNU Jami [6], letsencrypt, grapheneos [7], signal [8], freedom.press [9] ivpn / pia / mulluvad et al.

[0] https://jigsaw.google.com

[1] https://guardianproject.info

[2] https://getlantern.org

[3] https://torproject.org

[4] https://freedomboxfoundation.org

[5] https://matrix.org

[6] https://jami.net

[7] https://grapheneos.org

[8] https://signal.org

[9] https://freedom.press

Re: The Essential Tool for Hong Kong Protesters? An Umbrella

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Makes me think of this: https://unbreakableumbrella.com/product/unbreakable-walking-...

I own one and it’s a great umbrella that I have only ever used for conventional purposes. :)

Now I just need to learn this Kunfgu set ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uWtZmKrENDE

Re: The Essential Tool for Hong Kong Protesters? An Umbrella

#48
post #40

All those people who protest ... They protest against what ? In France, we have the "Gilets Jaunes", who also protest, there is also the young people who protest against climate change. They protest, and they go nowhere ...

The whole movement started with the proposal of an extradition bill by the government which allows anyone in Hong Kong deemed guilty by the Chinese government (note: HK is not China yet) to be extradited to China for trial, even foreigners. Needless to say, people protested because the Chinese judicial system is a total joke (if you don't agree with this, I'm not going to argue with you, but the whole comment would b…

> an extradition bill by the government which allows anyone in Hong Kong deemed guilty by the Chinese government (note: HK is not China yet) to be extradited to China for trial, even foreigners.

AFAIK, China is just one of the countries that was included in the bill. Hong Kong has become "fugitives' paradise" because it is unable to legally send criminals to the original country for trial.

> Chinese judicial system is a total joke

Don't disagree with you :-)

> the government didn't give in and sent the police and triads to beat up citizens instead

Fake news here. The government sent police to control riots. The people that got beaten up were criminals. Some media called them protesters. Bloomberg called them demonstrators. The ones in the front are criminals. They wear masks for the same reason that bank robbers wear masks. It is illegal to carry guns in Hong Kong so an umbrella is not a bad weapon. When these criminals charged forward, the police had no option but to control the situation using force.

> police brutality, misconduct, and collusion with triads and the Communist regime

Just compare to any Western country. If the same kind of violence were to happen in the US, someone would have been killed by the police. I'm not sure about collusion with triad. As for collusion with the communist party, we have to remember that Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region of China. The Hong Kong government must work with China for any activity that may deem to be anti-government or challenge One-Country-Two-Systems. Collusion is the wrong choice of word here.

As for the 5 demands:

1. The extradition bill has been officially withdrawn.

2. This is impossible -- maybe it was possible in June but it's too late now given the violence.

3. This is impossible. It is also unreasonable because it would be a total dis-justice without going through the formal legal system.

4. There is already a system that citizen can make complaints against specific police behavior. It is also the wrong time to start any independent commission because the events are still unrolling.

5. It will take a long time to discuss again what made the "umbrella revolution" few years ago. The government seems open for discussions but if these so-called pro-democratic people cannot give in and resort to violent behavior then a "deal" can never been reached.

These recent events proved that some people in Hong Kong are indeed anti-government and their sole purpose is to tear down the One-Country-Two-Systems concept and make Hong Kong an independent country. By bad-mouthing the government and police, they are painting a picture that there is no other way but to separate itself from China. It includes certain media that is known to be biased -- Apple Daily News, The Stand News, and sometimes Radio Television Hong Kong (ironically, a government sponsored entity). They produce fake news by taking events out of context and fool everyone. IMO, these media and certain reporters are very unprofessional.

My 2 cents.

Re: The Essential Tool for Hong Kong Protesters? An Umbrella

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post #47

What's the most effective way to support the Hong Kong protesters/people?

https://www.change.org/p/international-court-of-justice-requ...

https://www.change.org/p/the-grand-chancery-of-the-legion-of...

https://www.change.org/p/international-police-association-re...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/244402

https://www.pori.hk/donation

Re: The Essential Tool for Hong Kong Protesters? An Umbrella

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post #49
post #47

What's the most effective way to support the Hong Kong protesters/people?

https://www.change.org/p/international-court-of-justice-requ... https://www.change.org/p/the-grand-chancery-of-the-legion-of... https://www.change.org/p/international-police-association-re... https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/244402 https://www.pori.hk/donation

This is great, thank you.
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