> Chinese e-commerce sites like Taobao and AliExpress no longer sell them to customers in Hong Kong Impressive coordination of public & private bureaucracies
Impressive coordination of public bureaucracies & state owned enterprises.
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#32Anyone have a quick summary for the paywalled folks?
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#33Are there any interesting startups specifically focused on protest technology?
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#34> Chinese e-commerce sites like Taobao and AliExpress no longer sell them to customers in Hong Kong Impressive coordination of public & private bureaucracies
A cursory glance indicates I am perfectly able to buy an umbrella from Ali express in Hong Kong - didn't go all the way through the purchase however. I do somewhat question the reliability of the source in this instance.
Some more information on the subject:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-18/china-e-c...
https://bitterwinter.org/bans-on-shipment-of-goods-imposed-t...
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#35All those people who protest ... They protest against what ? In France, we have the "Gilets Jaunes", who also protest, there is also the young people who protest against climate change. They protest, and they go nowhere ...
So instead, they should just sit there nicely and be swallowed into the largest communist police state in the world, a country notoriously[0] less free than the current government[1]?
> They protest against what
I'm guessing it's pretty clear, HK is against being reincorporated into mainland. Gilet jaune seems to be against the direction of law making in current French government (namely, tax the rich less and the poor more). The "young people" for more actions against pollution.
> They protest, and they go nowhere ...
What do you suggest they do instead, if they are not fine with that? You're protesting against them on an online forum, this is so much better.
Protests have an actual effect on policy making[3], if only to rally people and express the vox populi, especially when said people doesn't have another to express itself than casting a general paper that gives a name, not an intent, into a box, with very long periodicity ; or don't have that luxury (e.g. Hong Kong in that case)
[0] https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2019/china
[1] https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2019/hong-kong
[2] https://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/dshoag/Documents/Political%20...
/edit: fixing a url/
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#36Following the Be water thinking, ppl start to have no specific items or clothes to represent themselves now. So the essential tool would be the determination to live in this city with courage, hope, dignity and helping each other in a crisis created by no one but the government. This government has lost all its credibility within a hundred day, which is impressive in a way I guess? I don’t think HK will be totally re…
>...and the scar will always be there.
Will it? I think over time, people will forget.
When the British colonized Hong Kong, they were especially brutal to the protestors. During the protests in the late 1960s, the British controlled police killed over 50 protesters.
Yet today, the protesters are wishing for the British to intervene.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, but there are new options. I've seen Telegram and Briar both listed as options that the Hong Kong protesters have used. When a company sells out to the state, it's time to switch to another one. Briar, in particular, was made specifically for dissidents and protesters.
People should seriously consider Keybase with it's non-required use of a phone number and strong encryption in every chat. I'm not in any way affiliated with them but I just don't like Telegram suggested with it's unaudited homebrewn crypto and Russian roots.
Crypto that's not "on" by default.
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#38All those people who protest ... They protest against what ? In France, we have the "Gilets Jaunes", who also protest, there is also the young people who protest against climate change. They protest, and they go nowhere ...
Honestly, right now, the "unfairness of life" is the closest to a coherent message I can interpret from their "movement". It was really a tense and passionate debate 2 months ago, but now many of us just roll our eyes at the latest news, like when they shave people who clean the streets, burn an MTR station, cry in a foreign country they need to be "freed", and the like...
I’m actually surprised by how professional the police are acting.
The protesters are throwing Molotovs and yet no one has been killed.
After 2 months of riots, the police have been very reserved in there actions compared to other SWAT happy countries.
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#39> Chinese e-commerce sites like Taobao and AliExpress no longer sell them to customers in Hong Kong Impressive coordination of public & private bureaucracies
Not really, it's more impressive to block whole countries (not just your own) to do business with Iran for example.
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#40All those people who protest ... They protest against what ? In France, we have the "Gilets Jaunes", who also protest, there is also the young people who protest against climate change. They protest, and they go nowhere ...
The whole movement started with the proposal of an extradition bill by the government which allows anyone in Hong Kong deemed guilty by the Chinese government (note: HK is not China yet) to be extradited to China for trial, even foreigners. Needless to say, people protested because the Chinese judicial system is a total joke (if you don't agree with this, I'm not going to argue with you, but the whole comment would be meaningless).
People protested peacefully at first, but the government didn't give in and sent the police and triads to beat up citizens instead. Many things happened since then, mainly involving police brutality, misconduct, and collusion with triads and the Communist regime (like allegedly deploying Chinese police and the People's Liberation Army disguised as HK police). Therefore, now it has become a protest for 5 demands, namely:
1. Complete withdrawal of the said bill (now it has been "promised" by the Chief Executive Carrie Lam, but given the track record of her people will only believe it when they see it)
2. Revoke the riot definition of the protests
3. Release and cancel all the charges on people arrested for this movement
4. An independent commission to investigate police brutality and misconduct
5. True universal suffrage on both the CE and the legislative council