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Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”

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Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”

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Post by tom_mellior »

UIZealot wrote: post #202
tom_mellior wrote: post #105

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A woman who is not fully clothed, because We Are Tech Bros.

Lots of women dress like this. What's wrong with depicting it in a logo?

Context. There are lots of pumpkins out there, but a pumpkin would be a weird logo for a Linux distribution named Kiss. Lots of people have electric stoves, but an electric stove would be a weird logo for a Linux distribution. There are also lots of men with great bodies, but a nude male torso would also be a weird logo for a Linux distribution. The only reason you are not very surprised by a half-dressed woman is that half-dressed women are so ubiquitous in our media.

This logo has nothing to do with Linux, nor with kissing (you can't even see lips because the face is cut off to put the cleavage in the focus). It's only about transporting and reinforcing the idea that one of the main roles of women in society is to be something pretty for men to look at. Always, everywhere, without any context. Oh, and you know what's prettier that a nerdy woman with glasses and a hoodie? A woman wearing a bikini! Because we can.

Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”

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Post by johnisgood »

tom_mellior wrote: post #221
UIZealot wrote: post #202

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Lots of women dress like this. What's wrong with depicting it in a logo?

Context. There are lots of pumpkins out there, but a pumpkin would be a weird logo for a Linux distribution named Kiss. Lots of people have electric stoves, but an electric stove would be a weird logo for a Linux distribution. There are also lots of men with great bodies, but a nude male torso would also be a weird logo for a Linux distribution. The only reason you are not very surprised by a half-dressed woman is th…

> This logo has nothing to do with Linux, nor with kissing

And it does not have to! Look at the logo of other distributions, what do they have to do with Linux, other than being the logo of a Linux distribution? Sigh.

> It's only about transporting and reinforcing the idea that one of the main roles of women in society is to be something pretty for men to look at.

No, this is only what YOU BELIEVE it means. I did not think about that at all, it is just your own interpretation (that may be shared with other people). You see what you want to see, it does not make it so.

Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”

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Post by tom_mellior »

johnisgood wrote: post #222
tom_mellior wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Context. There are lots of pumpkins out there, but a pumpkin would be a weird logo for a Linux distribution named Kiss. Lots of people have electric stoves, but an electric stove would be a weird logo for a Linux distribution. There are also lots of men with great bodies, but a nude male torso would also be a weird logo for a Linux distribution. The only reason you are not very surprised by a half-dressed woman is th…

> This logo has nothing to do with Linux, nor with kissing And it does not have to! Look at the logo of other distributions, what do they have to do with Linux, other than being the logo of a Linux distribution? Sigh. > It's only about transporting and reinforcing the idea that one of the main roles of women in society is to be something pretty for men to look at. No, this is only what YOU BELIEVE it means. I did not…

> Look at the logo of other distributions, what do they have to do with Linux, other than being the logo of a Linux distribution?

They all have to do with the name of the distribution: Red Hat has a red hat, Alpine has the Alps, Ubuntu (a term having to do with solidarity) has people holding hands.

Kiss doesn't have a logo that shows kissing or lips. It has disembodied boobs.

Again: If Kiss had a stove as its logo, or diapers, or a half empty box of chocolates, someone would post here "that's a strange logo for something called Kiss", and you would probably more likely upvote them than bother to argue against them. Only sexualized women are always considered appropriate by some people, completely without any context.

Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”

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Post by nineteen999 »

de_watcher wrote: post #184
nineteen999 wrote: post #98

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Really, there are de-facto standards. If you are a big corporate enterprise, like a bank, the standard is going to be RHEL. If you're conservative organization but don't want to pay for licenses or support, you're probably going to go with a RHEL clone like CentOS, or worse, Oracle Linux. If you're a trendy Web 2.1 startup you'll probably go with Ubuntu or containers of Alpine Linux etc. EDIT: source - been doing Lin…

They fragment on trivial parts which is pointless for the evolution.

I think comparing software development to a barely understood natural phenomenon like evolution is a slippery slope, but assuming we take that position, evolution has produced many biological dead ends through mutation. So why should software be any different, it is produced through a biological process of monkeys hammering on keyboards after all.

Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”

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Post by johnisgood »

tom_mellior wrote: post #223
johnisgood wrote: post #222

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> This logo has nothing to do with Linux, nor with kissing And it does not have to! Look at the logo of other distributions, what do they have to do with Linux, other than being the logo of a Linux distribution? Sigh. > It's only about transporting and reinforcing the idea that one of the main roles of women in society is to be something pretty for men to look at. No, this is only what YOU BELIEVE it means. I did not…

> Look at the logo of other distributions, what do they have to do with Linux, other than being the logo of a Linux distribution? They all have to do with the name of the distribution: Red Hat has a red hat, Alpine has the Alps, Ubuntu (a term having to do with solidarity) has people holding hands. Kiss doesn't have a logo that shows kissing or lips. It has disembodied boobs. Again: If Kiss had a stove as its logo, o…

Sure, you brought up a few Linux distributions whose logo is related to the name itself. I am pretty sure there are A LOT that do not have a logo related to the name. Then again, why does it even matter?

Plus, KISS is an abbreviation, it does not refer to the word "kiss".

> someone would post here "that's a strange logo", and you would probably more likely upvote them than bother to argue against them.

No, I would just ignore them, and I am not interested in arguing about taste either.

Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”

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Post by rashkov »

NikkiA wrote: post #111
rashkov wrote: post #56

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I’d give Manjaro a try. It’s an arch based distro where they take care of setting up a desktop environment for you, while including a nice install experience. After that, you’re basically in arch land, which is an excellent no-frills stripped back experience, with an unrivaled user-created package repository. Seriously, every time I have to install something on Ubuntu it drives me crazy to have to use whatever out-da…

So much of AUR is broken builds though to make AUR the more painful experience out of the two.

I can’t say that has been my personal experience, and I feel like I use AUR pretty extensively, but I can see how that would be very frustrating if that’s been your experience with it.

I am often surprised at what’s available on AUR — my most recent discovery being a current version of dwarf fortress, which is kind of a huge pain to get working on Linux.

Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”

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Post by tom_mellior »

johnisgood wrote: post #225
tom_mellior wrote: post #223

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> Look at the logo of other distributions, what do they have to do with Linux, other than being the logo of a Linux distribution? They all have to do with the name of the distribution: Red Hat has a red hat, Alpine has the Alps, Ubuntu (a term having to do with solidarity) has people holding hands. Kiss doesn't have a logo that shows kissing or lips. It has disembodied boobs. Again: If Kiss had a stove as its logo, o…

Sure, you brought up a few Linux distributions whose logo is related to the name itself. I am pretty sure there are A LOT that do not have a logo related to the name. Then again, why does it even matter? Plus, KISS is an abbreviation, it does not refer to the word "kiss". > someone would post here "that's a strange logo", and you would probably more likely upvote them than bother to argue against them. No, I would ju…

You would ignore any other weird logo. Yet you feel conpelled to defend this one. You are making my point for me: Objectification of women has a special protected status in society.

Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”

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Post by ktpsns »

antpls wrote: post #208
ktpsns wrote: post #73

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Have you thought about using tools like http://www.webmin.com/ or https://cockpit-project.org/ ? They are thought for managing servers, but they might also work for desktops. Also I wouldn't be surprised if tools like http://yast.opensuse.org/ offered a web GUI. Furthermore, for a web based terminal, thanks to https://xtermjs.org/ , terminal.js and friends, there are plenty of products available nowadays. Maybe this…

I tried cockpit and liked the UI. It's modern, simple and clean. However the features were limited (disk space, CPU graphs, but no management for wifi). I aslo tried ajenti.org but same issue, I couldn't even manage wifi with it. I will maybe make something myself. Maybe something that can take any linux tools in input and make a primitive web interface for it as output automatically.

These tools don't offer to manage wifi because they are intended for managing servers. However, most of them follow some module paradigm, so if you are open to start coding, you could implement a wifi module. Which cannot be that hard, given that there are also modular (UI independent) codes for network managing, such as https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/NetworkManager

Of course, similar as to when configuring a router, don't lock out yourself from the wifi-connected machine ;-)

Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”

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Post by johnisgood »

tom_mellior wrote: post #227
johnisgood wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, you brought up a few Linux distributions whose logo is related to the name itself. I am pretty sure there are A LOT that do not have a logo related to the name. Then again, why does it even matter? Plus, KISS is an abbreviation, it does not refer to the word "kiss". > someone would post here "that's a strange logo", and you would probably more likely upvote them than bother to argue against them. No, I would ju…

You would ignore any other weird logo. Yet you feel conpelled to defend this one. You are making my point for me: Objectification of women has a special protected status in society.

No, I said I would ignore people saying "that's a strange logo", there is not much you can respond to it. You might ask why, but I am not interested. This conversation, is a tad different, do not you think? If you do not, may I suggest you read it again from top to bottom?

> You are making my point for me: Objectification of women has a special protected status in society.

Holy shit... OK. I hope you do realize that you came to this conclusion by a false assumption, see above. I am only reacting to your statements, if defending it is a side-effect, so be it, I do not give a damn. But you thinking that it has to do with "objectification of women" is quite a tell of YOUR BELIEFS, not mine. It is what you see, it is your interpretation, it has nothing to do with me. I will not respond to any of your future comments.

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