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Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by dzhiurgis »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #108
jmpman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Model 3, and ever since I added Alexa Auto, I have no reason to use the touchscreen other than adding a destination to nav. Climate is set to auto. All other configurations automatically switch between my preferences and my wife’s based upon who is in the driver’s seat. I was a skeptic, but now I’m a believer.

You like the touchscreen now that you don't have to use it? So in your case it wouldn't matter whether there is a touchscreen or not, because you admit to not using it. There's no reason a car can't have physical buttons and voice control

> There's no reason a car can't have physical buttons and voice control

Cost and complexity - dials are way harder to do than a touchscreen.

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Post by SECProto »

javagram wrote: post #73
ex3ndr wrote: post #69

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You should to look at hardware buttons as often as on software ones. Just try to turn heat on in latest MB.

Large dials are the best. For instance the GE8 Honda fit has 3 huge dials, a lever, and 2 huge buttons that control the climate. It's extremely easy to adjust by touch without looking. https://imgur.com/a/V2yhIi6

Yup, absolutely. I have a Yaris, which has a very similar simple 3 dial climate control system. I much prefer it over "temperature" based climate control like most new cars have - the temperature feeling in the cabin changes wildly depending on radiative heat flux (i.e. sunlight), and having a constant temperature air blowing out of the vents is not helpful.

I would love for an electric car to have 3 dials for climate control, PLUS a moderate sized screen for navigation/music/etc

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Post by Tempest1981 »

Lendal wrote: post #103
nrjames wrote: post #7

All looks good, but the charging rate seems really slow.

Is there any technical reason for limiting the charge rate unless you pay more? I see this is becoming common now. Even Tesla does it. I'd be willing to settle for the smaller battery as long as charging it was at the same higher rate. Sure, charging sessions are more frequent during long trips, but if you're charging a smaller battery at the same rate then the charging sessions are shorter. So it seems like they're…

I thought heat was also a factor. If the batteries are liquid-cooled, you can keep them cooler and charge them faster. Is this true?

Or do most manufactures/models have battery cooling systems?

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Post by novok »

clouddrover wrote: post #110
sxates wrote: post #89

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Tesla will be fine, for several reasons: 1. They're way ahead of everyone else in terms of energy efficiency. Compare a Model S or X to the Jaguar iPace or Audi e-tron - the Tesla gets 30-50% more range out of the same size battery. That's a big gap. 2. Super chargers - other manufacturers have to rely on really spotty networks of third-party charging stations that are unreliable, and add friction for their customers…

> Tesla will be fine, for several reasons Tesla will be fine as a niche manufacturer. Jaguar's been around for a long time and they've always been a low volume manufacturer. Tesla can be the same. > 1. They're way ahead of everyone else in terms of energy efficiency. The Hyundai Kona, Kia Niro EV, and the Kia Soul EV all achieve good range at a lower price point than Tesla offers. > 2. Super chargers - other manufact…

Really? The gap isn’t that much, about $2200 looking at a before subsidy price. And the interior of the korean EVS are pretty cheap compared to the model 3, so if tesla wanted to they could make a tesla that uses cheap materials and doesn’t ship with special sensors. Call it the model 1.

What holds me back is more a unknown / bad record of reliability with tesla and a lack of charging infrastructure in apartments for me.

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Post by jmpman »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #108
jmpman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Model 3, and ever since I added Alexa Auto, I have no reason to use the touchscreen other than adding a destination to nav. Climate is set to auto. All other configurations automatically switch between my preferences and my wife’s based upon who is in the driver’s seat. I was a skeptic, but now I’m a believer.

You like the touchscreen now that you don't have to use it? So in your case it wouldn't matter whether there is a touchscreen or not, because you admit to not using it. There's no reason a car can't have physical buttons and voice control

I was skeptical that I’d like the car. Overall, it’s well thought out.

There is one physical button I still want and that’s for the windshield wipers. The car wash triggers them (maybe a GPS fence around car washes to disable?? One which is only enabled when the local weather says it isn’t currently raining) and the non-touch free car washes will damage them if they’re operating. So, I keep the wipers on manual.

The joy of a Tesla is that my idea for “car wash geo fence to disable wipers when not raining” - could be in the next software version.

Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by bch »

Angostura wrote: post #75
tomxor wrote: post #71

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> While many many of the big players (VW, Toyota, Honda, etc.) are going to match specs when it comes to battery range and whatnot, I haven't seen any indications that any of them intend to follow suit with the software. I'm hoping for the opposite, a return to basics, reliability and separation of concerns, not 3 billion lines of code running every single part of the car with a transistor - sure electric engines nee…

I’m hoping for twisty knobs and flicky switches

Let’s hope Mazda blazes a popular trail[0].

[0] https://thenewswheel.com/mazda-eliminates-touch-screens/

Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by bradfitz »

jmpman wrote: post #126
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You like the touchscreen now that you don't have to use it? So in your case it wouldn't matter whether there is a touchscreen or not, because you admit to not using it. There's no reason a car can't have physical buttons and voice control

I was skeptical that I’d like the car. Overall, it’s well thought out. There is one physical button I still want and that’s for the windshield wipers. The car wash triggers them (maybe a GPS fence around car washes to disable?? One which is only enabled when the local weather says it isn’t currently raining) and the non-touch free car washes will damage them if they’re operating. So, I keep the wipers on manual. The…

Or: if in neutral, then don't ever turn on the wipers.

Better than hoping you geocoded every car wash on the planet.

Re: Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car

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Post by [deleted] »

codeulike wrote: post #35
Xixi wrote: post #19

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Be careful when comparing EU prices to US prices: EU prices always include sales tax (varies by country, but 20% in France and 19% in Germany), while US prices never include them. Assuming 10% tariffs and 20% sales taxes, that bumps the $35,000 Tesla to $46,200, or about 42,000 EUR. Indeed the cheapest Model 3 that I could find in France costs 42,600 EUR. If the Volkswagen ID.3 comes in somewhere between 26,000 EUR a…

UK checking in here. Cheapest Model 3 in the UK is £38,500 which is about 44,000 euros or $48,000

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

mrfusion wrote: post #115
dmitrygr wrote: post #72

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I would pay for my car to NEVER update without my express approval. That is the definition of "my" - I get to decide how and when it changes. In fact, i think i will do just that. I might pick up one of these ID cars and thus vote with my wallet. I am no EV fanboy, but this one looks like a practical second car fit for simple short-range missions

Can’t you just remove the sim?

yes, or more directly pull the fuse. But as the other poster said, the updates are fantastic, you get useful new functionality and my 5 year car has huge numbers of useful things that weren't in the original car.
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