It's interesting to compare this car against the Honda e, which looks like an awesome little car. However, they've priced it about €7,000 more than the id.3 which is probably the reason it's getting comparably little buzz.
Volkswagen unveils the ID.3, its first affordable long-range electric car
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#23I'm really excited for more viable electric vehicles. But, the claim that this is the first car for the masses when it's simply 2-3k (~33k to ~35k in USD) cheaper than a Tesla model 3 is discouraging. That said, I do understand that the total cost of ownership does catch up if you keep the car long enough. I would just love to see something in the 20s, or even lower. (Further, I'm very sympathetic to the argument tha…
The pricing is more complicated than that. There is no way to buy a Model 3 at 35K$ in Europe. In France for instance, the minimum price is a whopping 48K€. Source : I wanted to buy a Model 3 in France.
- 35K$ is actually 39K$, excluding the off the menu version. You can't buy a Model 3 without Autopilot anymore, even though I don't care about Autopilot. And I'm not even sure you can buy the "off the menu" version of the Model 3 in France. So the base price is 39K$ which is 35.4K€.
- You add the Trump tariffs, eg 10%. Model 3 is now 38.9K€.
- In France (Europe ?) all prices are after VAT, which are again 20%. Model 3 is now 46.7K€.
- Tesla adds a couple grands to the price to move the car overseas. The least expensive price available in France is 48 600 €.
- They pre-deduce the French carbon bonus (6K€) so they can say they sell the Model 3 at 42 600 €, which is a lie.
In France the median price for new cars is around 27K€. In my opinion there is clearly room for electric vehicles priced between 27K€ (median) and 48.6K€ (Model 3 before carbon bonus).
After being very disappointed with the Model 3 French pricing, I'm currently interested in the Nissan Leaf. I will now also follow what Volkswagen is doing with the ID.3.
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#24For the masses? My family is doing fairly well for people in my generation and I've never ever briefly considered buying a car for more than 10k.
That’s a nice anecdote. The average new car selling price is over $30k (in the US).
That's a nice anecdote. What's the average new and not new car selling price?
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#25I'm really excited for more viable electric vehicles. But, the claim that this is the first car for the masses when it's simply 2-3k (~33k to ~35k in USD) cheaper than a Tesla model 3 is discouraging. That said, I do understand that the total cost of ownership does catch up if you keep the car long enough. I would just love to see something in the 20s, or even lower. (Further, I'm very sympathetic to the argument tha…
And that’s for a 205mi range (that will be WLTP not EPA so real world will be ~15% lower) on a 45kWh battery back that can only charge at 50kW. Top speed is 99mph, 0-60 is unannounced. The higher priced versions can charge up to 100kW. But frankly, the base model specs seem abysmal?
> 0-60 is unannounced
Anybody looking for a mid-range Golf/ID.3 type car (excluding top models like GTI/R/etc.) cares very little about 0-100Km/h times. In the same vein they also didn't announce the Nürburgring lap times.
Edit. Also based on the numbers Tesla publishes for the same car the difference between WLTP and EPA is less that 7%. Is it expected that in some cases it varies up to 15%?
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#26It's interesting to compare this car against the Honda e, which looks like an awesome little car. However, they've priced it about €7,000 more than the id.3 which is probably the reason it's getting comparably little buzz.
But the Honda-e has less range, right? Over here it says the Honda-e has about 125 miles of range, putting it on par with a 2016 Leaf.
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#27I'm really excited for more viable electric vehicles. But, the claim that this is the first car for the masses when it's simply 2-3k (~33k to ~35k in USD) cheaper than a Tesla model 3 is discouraging. That said, I do understand that the total cost of ownership does catch up if you keep the car long enough. I would just love to see something in the 20s, or even lower. (Further, I'm very sympathetic to the argument tha…
The pricing is more complicated than that. There is no way to buy a Model 3 at 35K$ in Europe. In France for instance, the minimum price is a whopping 48K€. Source : I wanted to buy a Model 3 in France. - 35K$ is actually 39K$, excluding the off the menu version. You can't buy a Model 3 without Autopilot anymore, even though I don't care about Autopilot. And I'm not even sure you can buy the "off the menu" version of…
Pedantic maybe, but the 10% is not the Trump tariff, but the EU tariff. As far as I know it predates Trump's election and various trade wars.
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#28Can someone summarise the prices for the different battery sizes? - because this article just dances all over the place.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
And in a few years time, used ID.3's will be available for under 10K.
Probably more than a "few" I think that you will be looking at 5-7 for the cars to fall to under a third of new value. Although that depends on your definition of "a few"* I guess. * https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2010/05/how-much-is-a-few...
Conventional wisdom seems to be that at best electric cars will depreciate at the same rate as ICEs or at worst their values will fall off a cliff, the reality is very different, at least in the short run * obviously this will change as production of newer cars ramps up.
* https://fullycharged.show/blog/surprisingly-positive-news-on...
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a nice anecdote. The average new car selling price is over $30k (in the US).
I think the point is a used 10k car will almost always be more cost effective.
It's difficult to generalize. A 10k luxury car is a high-risk proposition, unlikely to be cost effective. (cost of maintenance, insurance, etc.)