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US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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I suspect using the median net assets instead of the average would lead to vastly different results.

You would be correct, the US lags far, far behind in median wealth, behind countries like Korea and Spain. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-23/australia-tops-median...

And the US ranks ahead of both Germany and Sweden in median household net wealth. Those two are almost universally held up as extreme achievers on quality of life and both have notoriously good economies.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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France is above the EU average. Probably more comparable to a large, above-average US state.

France's GDP per capita is definitely lower than the US, by a substantial amount.

But about the same in terms of GDP per capita per hour worked. It’s just that the French have a different approach to work life balance.

Also I think the average hides a wider disparity in the US.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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When you take out a loan, it doesn't decrease your net worth, right? If I'm worth $X, then I take out a $1MM loan, at that moment I'm still worth approximately $X (because the $1MM the bank gave me and $1MM I owe the bank cancel each other out). So I'd rank them as: - Billionaire - Home owner - Minimum wage earner - Neurosurgeon

Why is a house an asset but an education isn't? Do you think a potential spouse would pass over the neurosurgeon?

You are conflating the general use of the word asset with the specialized meaning with in finance. You can't sell your education back for currency and you can't put it on a balance sheet.

You could and people have tried to make derivative securities to commoditize people's educations and then you could try to literally sell your education (or more like future returns on your work based off your education) but until you do that it's not a liquid asset.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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That uses consumption data for 2010, coinciding with the year the EU financial crisis really hit and dominated the news, while the financial crisis in the US was already in downswing.

Yes, I've checked data for 2017 and USA does not look too rosy anymore, matching most of western EU.

Given that the US unemployment rate has been constatnly trending down since 2010, I guess the lack of improvement or even worsening of consumption in the same time frame say something...

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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How did you get from "slower internet" to "there is a pattern"? If you scroll two comments up, you'll see the most crucial difference: free healthcare. Healthcare-related expenses can bankrupt an entire family in the US, even with great health insurance... Then there is free education, but let's leave that aside for now.

That’s also consistent with the pattern. 75% of Americans have either employer paid insurance or Medicare. For those people, premiums and out of pocket costs are on average less than the extra taxes they’d pay in Europe for health insurance: https://www.assembly.ca.gov/sites/assembly.ca.gov/files/Arch... (page 18, showing 5.2% of household income spent on premiums and out of pocket costs). (Note that France doesn’t h…

The difference is that in France public hospitals do not overcharge public insurance, as private hospitals do in the US with private insurance and probably Medicaid too. Also, public health insurance is not a for profit business that aims maximizing profit at the expense of sick people. It's also easier to become a doctor in France vs. the US or get an equivalent degree from an Eastern or Central European country. France can also easily import doctors from other European countries, which lowers healthcare costs. Also, as a healthcare professional you are not as exposed to litigation as in the US. Canada seems to do ok with a very high barrier of entry for doctors however, probably because they have NPs which handle part of the doctors' workload.

As for education per percentage spending paints a distorted picture. A more thorough comparison is needed accounting for the cost of education, population size, absolute numbers as opposed to percentages. Otherwise I agree that the US has fancier, more exclusive higher education institutions and that professionals with a degree are paid much better than in France.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Misleading stat is misleading. Page 47 of the source (https://www.allianz.com/content/dam/onemarketing/azcom/Allia...) : "By average net financial assets, the USA are the richest country in the world, not least thanks to the strong dollar. But if we drew up our rankings of the world’s richest countries based on median values, they would look different. The US would slide by a whopping 12 ranks from the top spot to 13th place. Also Singapore (from third to sixth place), Sweden (from seventh to 12th place), Denmark (from tenth to 22nd place) and UK (from 12th to 16th place) would drop significantly. In all these countries the difference between median and average values tend to be bigger than in most other countries. For all countries analyzed, the (unweighted) average for the median value expressed as percentage of the average value is 44%. In the US, in contrast, this number is just 15%; in the UK and Sweden it comes to around 30%"

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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The second decile in the US had in 2017 a wealth of $4798 (-962 for the first decile), while in France in 2015 the second decile had E12900, E4300 for the first decile. And, you know, access to health care :-)

and affordable highspeed internet.

France has far better broadband penetration than the US. https://goingdigital.oecd.org/en/indicator/10/

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you take out a loan, it doesn't decrease your net worth, right? If I'm worth $X, then I take out a $1MM loan, at that moment I'm still worth approximately $X (because the $1MM the bank gave me and $1MM I owe the bank cancel each other out). So I'd rank them as: - Billionaire - Home owner - Minimum wage earner - Neurosurgeon

Why is a house an asset but an education isn't? Do you think a potential spouse would pass over the neurosurgeon?

It's about liquidity. Education is a very illiquid asset.
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