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US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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I suspect using the median net assets instead of the average would lead to vastly different results.

Actually the 20% poorest in the US has it better than the average EU middle class. Ref: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20...

I've no opinion on this source, but here's the actual, non-Google/AMP URL:

https://fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20-of-americans-are-ric...

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Actually the 20% poorest in the US has it better than the average EU middle class. Ref: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20...

The second decile in the US had in 2017 a wealth of $4798 (-962 for the first decile), while in France in 2015 the second decile had E12900, E4300 for the first decile. And, you know, access to health care :-)

and affordable highspeed internet.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

I mean, it's not like they were wrong about that. I don't know what to conclude from this other than most of history is terrible and the present often isn't so great either. Until we live in a utopia, there will be no shortage of targets for whataboutism.

The point is that it's nothing but a deflection tactic, and I don't believe the people doing the lynching were typically the same people concerned about human rights abuses in the USSR. It's an oversimplification used to prevent discussion about real problems.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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I like how they calculated consumption, rather than income or net wealth. That's a more honest way of comparing poverty in different countries.

I'm not sure it's an entirely fair way to define poverty. In many parts of Europe you can have a relatively high standard of living without consuming (or even owning) all that much. For example, you can have a high standard of living without owning a car (and all the 'consumption' that goes along with that), in cities that have good public transport, and a good infrastructure/environment for walking and cycling. In m…

One interesting thing I found comparing UK towns to Australian towns was the UK towns allowed a much higher quality of life because road and house block sizes were calibrated to walking, whereas Australian roads are all calibrated for two way car traffic and block sizes are huge. There is also an assumption that if you want to buy something you will drive to a local retail distribution point. It forces people to spend a lot more on transport to get the same lifestyle.

I'm not a fan of cars. It'd be nice if they were toys for the rich and Australian cities were built around everyone walking around or catching public transport.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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Actually the 20% poorest in the US has it better than the average EU middle class. Ref: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20...

And you still have plenty of homesless and destitute. Pretty sad that you can't look after the most vunerable.

Homelessness rates in the US are lower than many big European countries: https://www.oecd.org/els/family/HC3-1-Homeless-population.pd...

Lower than France, Germany, and the UK, Sweden, Canada, and Australia. Equal to the Netherlands.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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I suspect using the median net assets instead of the average would lead to vastly different results.

Actually the 20% poorest in the US has it better than the average EU middle class. Ref: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20...

Texas has literal shanty towns with 100,000 American citizens living there so I think this is a situation where statistics (or the ones presented) are highly inaccurate or deeply mischaracterized:

https://www.google.com/search?q=texas+colonias&sxsrf=ACYBGNT...

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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I'm not sure it's an entirely fair way to define poverty. In many parts of Europe you can have a relatively high standard of living without consuming (or even owning) all that much. For example, you can have a high standard of living without owning a car (and all the 'consumption' that goes along with that), in cities that have good public transport, and a good infrastructure/environment for walking and cycling. In m…

But if consumption capacity was equal in Europe, that consumption would shift to something else, such as food and entertainment. People in New York City don’t consume less because they don’t own a car—they spend more money eating out, etc. And Europeans are hardly ascetics. It’s fair to assume that in both places, if people had more means to consume they would.

> It’s fair to assume that in both places, if people had more means to consume they would.

Not the parent commenter but why do you think they would if they could?

Consumption habits across borders aren't as obvious to me because of advertising, culture, etc.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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The second decile in the US had in 2017 a wealth of $4798 (-962 for the first decile), while in France in 2015 the second decile had E12900, E4300 for the first decile. And, you know, access to health care :-)

and affordable highspeed internet.

France has much slower internet on average than the US: https://www.akamai.com/de/de/multimedia/documents/state-of-t...

It’s almost as if it’s part of a pattern, where the top 75% in the US do better than France, while the stronger French safety net is better for the bottom 25%.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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It seems like if you are slightly more business-friendly than competing countries then you have a big advantage (not to mention network effects), but if everyone tried to be more like America then the world would be worse-off.

Just like a classic coordination game.

Re: US takes 'richest nation on earth' crown from Switzerland

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I suspect using the median net assets instead of the average would lead to vastly different results.

You don't need to suspect. Unlike this news, Global Wealth Report itself is a serious undertaking so it computes both median and average ranking. USA is #1 in average and #13 in median. Switzerland is #2 in average and #1 in median.

Is that in PPP?
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